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Who should pay for college?

Parents50%50% - 17
Kids50%50% - 17
Total: 34
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7017
Why isn't government up...

I know so many smart kids that get into Ivy League schools like Harvard, U Penn, Cornell etc and get accepted, but didn't go, why? Money. Then they have to go to state colleges since its cheaper and they recieved a scholarship.

Not every parent is rich enough to send their smart ass kid to a good school yo.
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FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6801|so randum
Govt obv.

Education should have nothing to do with your parents paypacket.
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S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6819|Montucky
The United States Government and the American Taxpayers payed for my college.



GI Bill. FTW.
DonFck
Hibernator
+3,227|6932|Finland

The state paid for my college (university of applied sciences).

- Free school
- Books from the library + copy machine card
- 400+ € monthly student money from the state
- 2000 € annual student loan during three years (paid back with my apartment loan, lol)
- Summer jobs
- Occasional "halp me please!"-munnies from the parents

I can't really say how much my education cost me all in all because I had some luxuries under that time without which I could've gone without and still studied. E.g. lived in the city centre in a studio apartment and managed to have and uphold a car under that time as well. So I had it good. If I had lived in the burbs and taken the bus to school, I would've managed with a lot less.
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JahManRed
wank
+646|6929|IRELAND

College in this country has just become a huge party. The kids are led by the hand by their tutors and any dumb ass can get a degree in some random subject these days and still end up in McDonald's. Maybe if they all had to pay for it they actually fucking work and do a proper degree instead of picking shit that just allows them to party. Fuck I hate students. Fucking parasites.
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6771

JahManRed wrote:

College in this country has just become a huge party. The kids are led by the hand by their tutors and any dumb ass can get a degree in some random subject these days and still end up in McDonald's. Maybe if they all had to pay for it they actually fucking work and do a proper degree instead of picking shit that just allows them to party. Fuck I hate students. Fucking parasites.
Where did you graduate from? With what worthy degree? How hard did you work for your 10-year Bachelor's in Genius Studies?
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nukchebi0
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+387|6625|New Haven, CT

Pochsy wrote:

But he went to Harvard didn't he? My cousin goes there and is sporting a cool $60,000 bill at the end of each year.
The only way he could be sporting a $60,000 bill (its $52,000 estimated COA for 2008-2009, which includes expenses not directly billed) is if he was rich enough to make that price less than painful on his family's long term finances. Their institutional financial aid is the best in the world, and most kids whose families make under $200,000 a year are having more than 50% of their costs paid for by the college itself.

I know so many smart kids that get into Ivy League schools like Harvard, U Penn, Cornell etc and get accepted, but didn't go, why? Money. Then they have to go to state colleges since its cheaper and they recieved a scholarship.

Not every parent is rich enough to send their smart ass kid to a good school yo.
The only one of these schools that should make finances a hindrance to attendance is Cornell, and barely. Maybe the parents didn't want to pay what they were expected to pay, and opted instead for a state-school scholarship, but that doesn't mean money precluded them from attending the Ivy League school of their dreams.

My parents are by no means rich - although not poor. I was accepted into a college as good as those listed above, and I will be able to easily attend. They will be paying less than $5000 a year, and the total cost will be less than $10000 from us together. I couldn't dream of attending such a school if I received no aid. Yet, I did, and will be able to. This isn't the 1970s anymore, where such schools were mostly for the rich (as I've been told, smart Californians in that age went to UC Berkeley if they were poor, and Stanford if they were rich). At least in the US, it is very clear to most families that such schools are affordable, and in fact, its one of the reasons the overachievers we all know have become so prominent; applicants, that is, to these colleges have increased in number because of the aid programs, and as an example, it was the only reason I applied to them.

From a philosophical viewpoint, though, the government should pay to some degree, since the investment in education for people leads to long-run economic growth, which helps better society as a whole. It is a more delayed stimulus than direct spending, but still one that is worthy, and perhaps for fair in its distribution of social wealth.
JahManRed
wank
+646|6929|IRELAND

Uzique wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

College in this country has just become a huge party. The kids are led by the hand by their tutors and any dumb ass can get a degree in some random subject these days and still end up in McDonald's. Maybe if they all had to pay for it they actually fucking work and do a proper degree instead of picking shit that just allows them to party. Fuck I hate students. Fucking parasites.
Where did you graduate from? With what worthy degree? How hard did you work for your 10-year Bachelor's in Genius Studies?
Architecture. You gota spend more time at college than a doctor.
And by the way the guy working for me who has no degree is the best at his job out of the 4 of us. A degree seams to be a measure of intelligence these days, which is bullshit when you see how the system works. We get final year architecture students in here on work placement who know fuck all. Our trainee technician with 2 years on the job experience knows a hundred times more than them after 5 years at university.
Flecco
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JahManRed wrote:

Uzique wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

College in this country has just become a huge party. The kids are led by the hand by their tutors and any dumb ass can get a degree in some random subject these days and still end up in McDonald's. Maybe if they all had to pay for it they actually fucking work and do a proper degree instead of picking shit that just allows them to party. Fuck I hate students. Fucking parasites.
Where did you graduate from? With what worthy degree? How hard did you work for your 10-year Bachelor's in Genius Studies?
Architecture. You gota spend more time at college than a doctor.
And by the way the guy working for me who has no degree is the best at his job out of the 4 of us. A degree seams to be a measure of intelligence these days, which is bullshit when you see how the system works. We get final year architecture students in here on work placement who know fuck all. Our trainee technician with 2 years on the job experience knows a hundred times more than them after 5 years at university.
Key words right there though.

That's why docs over here in Aus do time in hospitals/GPs almost every year of their tuition. Nothing can beat first hand experience.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Spark
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+874|6975|Canberra, AUS
Uuuunfortunately, from what I've seen, rich families and smart kids are a correlation rarely seen in my experience.
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Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7017

Spark wrote:

Uuuunfortunately, from what I've seen, rich families and smart kids are a correlation rarely seen in my experience.
Depends how the parents spoil them. Real wealthy families make sure their kids don't get spoilt. That's the real difference between rich and wealthy. Wealthy ones keep the generations going, rich ones only last a gen or two.
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Ajax_the_Great1
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+206|6947

Sydney wrote:

Taxpayers.
No, I don't want my money going towards college drinking money. Pay for it yo motherfucking self.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6706|North Carolina

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Sydney wrote:

Taxpayers.
No, I don't want my money going towards college drinking money. Pay for it yo motherfucking self.
Well, you'll just end up paying for welfare drinking money instead.
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6801|so randum

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Sydney wrote:

Taxpayers.
No, I don't want my money going towards college drinking money. Pay for it yo motherfucking self.
Think of it this way.

The kids get drunk and graduate = more money into the system

The kids get drunk and fail = they owe the state. and they pay it.

Thats how it works over here, and it works well.
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Sydney
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+783|7144|Reykjavík, Iceland.

FatherTed wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Sydney wrote:

Taxpayers.
No, I don't want my money going towards college drinking money. Pay for it yo motherfucking self.
Think of it this way.

The kids get drunk and graduate = more money into the system

The kids get drunk and fail = they owe the state. and they pay it.

Thats how it works over here, and it works well.
Yeah, it's really nice to know that the only thing you need to spend money on is food and beer.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6747|Chicago, IL
how about the government?  if the state will do nothing to stop the runaway increase of college cost, then they can pay for it too.
FEOS
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+1,182|6712|'Murka

Student should make every attempt to secure some funding for college (scholarships, grants, etc).

Parents should make every attempt to make up the difference.
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ghettoperson wrote:

TBH though, I think it's a bit of stupid thread. Surely it's going to be down to your individual situation? Either you're parents are well off, or have the intelligence to save some money when they have kids, or they don't and the kid is forced to get a loan. Seems pretty clear cut really.
exactly.

It completely depends on a. if the parents have the money to and b. if they want to pay for it.

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