Turquoise wrote:
AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
Obama's policies are actually more European in nature. China is a different direction altogether.
Goverment taking control over private businesses and banks.. if it is how Europe does it, both Europe and America are dangerously leaning toward full socialism/communism.
i dunno what all this will be like in 5 years but the goverment is bigger and bigger with every move Obama makes.
The goal of Obama is to close the gap between the rich and the poor. Take from the wealthy and give to the poor. Add to that massive interventionist from the state and we have the perfect mix for a socialist/communist state. I don't say it will happen overnignt but the general direction is there.. But i may be paranoid too
Why not just follow the constitution.. that piece of paper is gold goddamnit
You live in Canada, right? Canada is more "socialist" than America. They have considerably more protectionism in their markets than we do. They even have cultural protectionism (quotas for native artists in their media, like radio). They also have more extensive social programs than America.
While I appreciate your reverence for the Constitution, it is a living document. We've amended it through the years, and in all likelihood, we'll amend it more in the future. The Founding Fathers were way ahead of their time, but they were still human.
In the grand scheme of things, Obama is actually pretty moderate. Our political Left is far less socialist than most of Europe, or even Canada for that matter. The fact that we're leaning left now is mostly a result of Bush leaning right before him. These things happen in cycles. In another 8 years, we'll probably lean right again.
Yea i live in Canada.. and productivity is at an all time low.. Socialism bring the worst out of people.. it promote lazyness.. Doesnt matter what you do with your life, the state will take care of you.. Doesnt matter if you work 80h a week, the state will take more than half of your money because they need it for welfare and free healthcare. Doenst matter if you don't get educated, the worst that will happen is that you make 20K a year with no income tax and that is almost the same amount of money if you go to college and earn 45K a year.. you both end up with 20K in your pockets.
Work your ass off and get the same money that the guy who work 20h a week.
That is socialism for a population of 30 millions..
I afraid of what socialism would look like for a population of 300 millions and add to that a porous border and millions of illegals.
Maybe it will work out well for you, i cannot predict the future.. But socialism pisses me off up here sometimes.
Personnal responsability is gone.
Edit: One more thing, socialism cost a lot of money, i don't think that Socialism and interventionism works well together.. and since i don't see you guys stopping the interventionist foreign policy, i think it this is just the beginning of huge deficits.
Last edited by AutralianChainsaw (2009-05-31 13:58:24)
