Macbeth
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+2,444|5887

A chain link fence now stands between Tim Lambert's land and the impact site of United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed here on September 11, 2001. The property has been in Lambert's family for almost 80 years.

At the center of the dispute is the government's plan to take the remaining land needed by using its power of eminent domain. The government can seize privately owned property to convert it to public use after paying the owner fair market value.

"Eminent domain was sort of dropped on us at the last second here," he says, "and it feels like we never even had a chance to talk about some of the issues that we needed to address during the negotiations."

The courts may have the final say. Government lawyers are expected to file a lawsuit in Pittsburgh next week to condemn the property for public use.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/29/ … index.html
So should the family be forced to give up their land for a memorial? A childhood friend of mine grandmother died on that plane but I still think the government shouldn't be allowed to take away their land.
Narupug
Fodder Mostly
+150|5898|Vacationland
Eminent Domain is a well established law, in the constitution I believe.  You may not like it, but winning a court battle against it is highly unlikely.
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|6003|College Park, MD
eminent domain is bullshti but i think this guy should jsut be nice and let them build the memorial i mean chrsit he'd be pissed oto if whe lost osmonee in the flight
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6976|Canberra, AUS

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

eminent domain is bullshti but i think this guy should jsut be nice and let them build the memorial i mean chrsit he'd be pissed oto if whe lost osmonee in the flight
Um...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6839|Long Island, New York

Narupug wrote:

Eminent Domain is a well established law, in the constitution I believe.  You may not like it, but winning a court battle against it is highly unlikely.
Was just gonna mention that. They can fight it, but I doubt they'd win.

Spark wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

eminent domain is bullshti but i think this guy should jsut be nice and let them build the memorial i mean chrsit he'd be pissed oto if whe lost osmonee in the flight
Um...
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=126156
Ioan92
Member
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inb4theconspiracytheoristsarrive

I think its arrogant to take one's land for making a useless monument in the middle of nowhere so that the "victims" can go cry and throw flowers... Also its not like its going to get much visits besides the "victims"

Waste of money tbfh.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6706|North Carolina

Ioan92 wrote:

inb4theconspiracytheoristsarrive

I think its arrogant to take one's land for making a useless monument in the middle of nowhere so that the "victims" can go cry and throw flowers... Also its not like its going to get much visits besides the "victims"

Waste of money tbfh.
Agreed.

Most of the time, eminent domain is bullshit.  It's one of the most easily abused parts of our law system.

To be honest, I think it should be abolished.
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6882|the dank(super) side of Oregon
if you were building a walmart would you want to pay open market value for property?  fuck no.  there is nothing more unamerican, more seditious, than standing in the way of progress.  all the little people with all  their little liberties need get out of the way.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7063

why do people need memorials for every god damn thing?  jesus there is enough 9/11 stuff already.
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6295|Truthistan
May be they should take up the one side of the pentagon for a memorial too. and while they are at it they should claim eminent domain over the twin towers site and take that land over too...

The only reason they are doing this is because this is a family owned property, with no power and they can grab it easily. I would like to see what would happened if they tried to grab ground zero like this, or the pentagon.


I bet they are afraid that someone will take a metal detector out there and find pieces of the sidewinder that took 93 out on Cheney's orders. /tin foil hat on.
signa
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+50|7030|Michigan, USA
they need 2200 acres for a memorial?  (3.4mi / 8.9km)

how big are they building this memorial?
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6295|Truthistan
2200 acres = 3.4 square miles

Now I read that an engine was found more than 1/2 mile away and that there were other debris sites 3 and 6 miles away.
It would make sense to make a vast area a national park/memorial over the debris area if you were going to cover up the fact that the plane did not thunder into the ground while 100% intact. Most likely the plane was hit by a missile and then crashed. I remember the first reports were that 93 had been shot down, but then that was quickly taken back. I could see that after the three planes crashed, that the order would be given to take out 93 before it could hit its target. So what would be the harm in telling the truth? Wouldn't that be a real statement to the terrorists by saying if you hijack a plane and we will sacrifice the lives of those aboard to save people on the ground.

This map is interesting. I don't know how a plane would break apart over a 3 to 6 mile area from porpoising and then diving into the ground. /tin foil hat on.

https://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/flight93/docs/debrisfields.png

Now what is interesting is that if there is a debris field at 6 mile and 3 miles and an engine a 1/2 mile from the crash site, the really interesting thing to note is the direction of the plane. It path would be in a straight line FROM Wash DC.

So here is the scenerio. three planes crash, fourth is headed to DC. Its intercepted and turned away, but now its headed to Pittsburgh. 93 is warned to turn from its flight path that is taking it directly to Pittsburgh. At six miles from crash site a fighter jet let off a gun burst, debris field one. At three miles from crash site another gun burst and another debris field. then another gun burst or missile and the plane engine falls off, banks right and crashed 1/2 mile later.

To me either story works. either it went down on its own through a passenger revolt or the govt is covering up the shoot down order.


And more
On the Sept. 16, 2001, edition of NBC's "Meet the Press," Vice President Dick Cheney
Russert: "So if the United States government became aware that a hijacked commercial airline[r] was destined for the White House or the Capitol, we would take the plane down?"

Cheney: "Yes. The president made the decision ... that if the plane would not divert ... as a last resort, our pilots were authorized to take them out. Now, people say, you know, that's a horrendous decision to make. Well, it is. You've got an airplane full of American citizens, civilians, captured by ... terrorists, headed and are you going to, in fact, shoot it down, obviously, and kill all those Americans on board?

"... It's a presidential-level decision, and the president made, I think, exactly the right call in this case, to say, I wished we'd had combat air patrol up over New York.'"
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6882|the dank(super) side of Oregon

Diesel_dyk wrote:

So what would be the harm in telling the truth?
"Let's roll" is easier to sell than an American fighter shooting down an airliner full of American civilians.

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