Very true. I suppose you could say the basis of capitalism shares a lot in common with crime.imortal wrote:
Isn't that just greed looking for a method? ...and can't you say the same of most crime? Greed being the most likely motive, once you boil it down? wanting to make the 'easy money.' wanting something someone else has.Turquoise wrote:
While I agree that anyone can be greedy, your choice of using Wall Street as an example is interesting. Gekko generally preached a more practical form of greed. He was looking at the long run, not the short term.imortal wrote:
I think that 'careless greed' pretty much applies to everyone. It is just that it has a greater effect in some than in others. Think of the effect drug dealers have on their neighborhoods; does that stop them? Rampant greed pretty much always has some negative effects. What effect it has is dependant on the position of the person.
Remember the '80s movie "Wall Street?" "Greed is good." Oh, and there is a reason that Greed is one of the 7 deadly sins.
If anything, most of what we see in the real Wall Street is "vulture capital."
If we don't adopt a Star Trek model of planetary society we will perish as a species.
Remember those words.
Remember those words.
We're going to perish then.ATG wrote:
If we don't adopt a Star Trek model of planetary society we will perish as a species.
Remember those words.
But seriously... the colonization of other planets will likely save us, but it's not likely to be a Star Trek model. I think Brave New World in space is more likely.
It all depends how you look at it. I think of capitalism as being able to keep what I earn. If I veiw socialism or communism as 'taking what is mine to give it to someone who did not earn it,' then socialism has a lot in common with crime, too (taking what does not belong to you). This is one of those no-win conversations.Turquoise wrote:
Very true. I suppose you could say the basis of capitalism shares a lot in common with crime.imortal wrote:
Isn't that just greed looking for a method? ...and can't you say the same of most crime? Greed being the most likely motive, once you boil it down? wanting to make the 'easy money.' wanting something someone else has.Turquoise wrote:
While I agree that anyone can be greedy, your choice of using Wall Street as an example is interesting. Gekko generally preached a more practical form of greed. He was looking at the long run, not the short term.
If anything, most of what we see in the real Wall Street is "vulture capital."
lol, seriously though...I want a retreat bunker house ran on thermal heating, solar and wind energy, underground greenhouse w/ skylights with retractable steel blast doors to protect against zombies.jsnipy wrote:
Lets just die and get it over with. Comet party at my house, bring foil hats and kool aid.
tbh
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
And tinfoil hatsHarmor wrote:
That reminds me...needs to stock up on ammo.
and Vaseline
Xbone Stormsurgezz
don't forget the bottled water!
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
and canned food
and the radical right-wing, tinfoil hat wearing, death-to-the-left mentality
America has been essentially dead for a while now, kept alive by the artificial ventilation that is Saudi and Chinese purchase of US govt bonds.
Fuck Israel
AgreedDilbert_X wrote:
America has been essentially dead for a while now, kept alive by the artificial ventilation that is Saudi and Chinese purchase of US govt bonds.
It is funny how America dies with the influx of modern liberalism brought on by Jimmy Carter.
Exactly how is it, anyone expects a country to survive with a belief system that rewards non-achievement and punishes achievement anyway?
You really expect people to take private risks for the public good with no pay off?
The higher liberal ideology grows the weaker America becomes, it is no coincidence.
Damn that Carter... its all his fault.
I know you are being a smart ass, but the fact is, he opened the floodgates like it or not.AussieReaper wrote:
Damn that Carter... its all his fault.
He had to be stopped, much the same way as Keneddy, and MLK and Ghandi...lowing wrote:
I know you are being a smart ass, but the fact is, he opened the floodgates like it or not.AussieReaper wrote:
Damn that Carter... its all his fault.
Seriously though, you can't see that the right system has to be a balance between pure capitalism and pure socialism? Both extremes are hugely flawed.
DETROIT WILL RISE AGAIN!AussieReaper wrote:
He had to be stopped, much the same way as Keneddy, and MLK and Ghandi...lowing wrote:
I know you are being a smart ass, but the fact is, he opened the floodgates like it or not.AussieReaper wrote:
Damn that Carter... its all his fault.
Seriously though, you can't see that the right system has to be a balance between pure capitalism and pure socialism? Both extremes are hugely flawed.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Nope, we need the risk takers, we do not need the free loaders.AussieReaper wrote:
He had to be stopped, much the same way as Keneddy, and MLK and Ghandi...lowing wrote:
I know you are being a smart ass, but the fact is, he opened the floodgates like it or not.AussieReaper wrote:
Damn that Carter... its all his fault.
Seriously though, you can't see that the right system has to be a balance between pure capitalism and pure socialism? Both extremes are hugely flawed.
Providing opportunity throgh private risk, and the eventual payoff and growth is what is needed. Not a bunch of fools walking around thinking they are entitled to the good life by the work and risk of others.
Detroit is a perfect example of liberalism failing huge.Flecco wrote:
DETROIT WILL RISE AGAIN!AussieReaper wrote:
He had to be stopped, much the same way as Keneddy, and MLK and Ghandi...lowing wrote:
I know you are being a smart ass, but the fact is, he opened the floodgates like it or not.
Seriously though, you can't see that the right system has to be a balance between pure capitalism and pure socialism? Both extremes are hugely flawed.
We need a system that absolutely excludes monetary use. It must have intelligent resource management and automated production facilities. Humans to work for intelligent goals such as space exploration/ medicine/ technology advance.AussieReaper wrote:
He had to be stopped, much the same way as Keneddy, and MLK and Ghandi...lowing wrote:
I know you are being a smart ass, but the fact is, he opened the floodgates like it or not.AussieReaper wrote:
Damn that Carter... its all his fault.
Seriously though, you can't see that the right system has to be a balance between pure capitalism and pure socialism? Both extremes are hugely flawed.
Neither Capitafail, Socialfail and Communifail get it right.
And yes I realize this is the 1001th time I said this.
In a perfect world.Ioan92 wrote:
We need a system that absolutely excludes monetary use. It must have intelligent resource management and automated production facilities. Humans to work for intelligent goals such as space exploration/ medicine/ technology advance.AussieReaper wrote:
He had to be stopped, much the same way as Keneddy, and MLK and Ghandi...lowing wrote:
I know you are being a smart ass, but the fact is, he opened the floodgates like it or not.
Seriously though, you can't see that the right system has to be a balance between pure capitalism and pure socialism? Both extremes are hugely flawed.
Neither Capitafail, Socialfail and Communifail get it right.
And yes I realize this is the 1001th time I said this.
Good luck convincing people to set aside several thousand years of political, ethnic, religious and cultural conflict though.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
anyway, back to real life Mr. RoddenberryIoan92 wrote:
We need a system that absolutely excludes monetary use. It must have intelligent resource management and automated production facilities. Humans to work for intelligent goals such as space exploration/ medicine/ technology advance.AussieReaper wrote:
He had to be stopped, much the same way as Keneddy, and MLK and Ghandi...lowing wrote:
I know you are being a smart ass, but the fact is, he opened the floodgates like it or not.
Seriously though, you can't see that the right system has to be a balance between pure capitalism and pure socialism? Both extremes are hugely flawed.
Neither Capitafail, Socialfail and Communifail get it right.
And yes I realize this is the 1001th time I said this.
One day they will have to.Flecco wrote:
In a perfect world.Ioan92 wrote:
We need a system that absolutely excludes monetary use. It must have intelligent resource management and automated production facilities. Humans to work for intelligent goals such as space exploration/ medicine/ technology advance.AussieReaper wrote:
He had to be stopped, much the same way as Keneddy, and MLK and Ghandi...
Seriously though, you can't see that the right system has to be a balance between pure capitalism and pure socialism? Both extremes are hugely flawed.
Neither Capitafail, Socialfail and Communifail get it right.
And yes I realize this is the 1001th time I said this.
Good luck convincing people to set aside several thousand years of political, ethnic, religious and cultural conflict though.
Paid maternity leave is a very socialist concept, but rather than a woman quitting her job, with it she is more likely to rejoin the workforce.lowing wrote:
Nope, we need the risk takers, we do not need the free loaders.AussieReaper wrote:
He had to be stopped, much the same way as Keneddy, and MLK and Ghandi...lowing wrote:
I know you are being a smart ass, but the fact is, he opened the floodgates like it or not.
Seriously though, you can't see that the right system has to be a balance between pure capitalism and pure socialism? Both extremes are hugely flawed.
Providing opportunity throgh private risk, and the eventual payoff and growth is what is needed. Not a bunch of fools walking around thinking they are entitled to the good life by the work and risk of others.
Can you even acknowledge any benefits of a centric system, or does any remotely socialist concept equal "free loaders"?
If I had to guess I'd say lowing will tell you paid maternity leave should be left to the discretion of the employer, as ultimately it is their money and their job they are offering to others, putting their reputation on the line by employing these people as part of their company.AussieReaper wrote:
Paid maternity leave is a very socialist concept, but rather than a woman quitting her job, with it she is more likely to rejoin the workforce.lowing wrote:
Nope, we need the risk takers, we do not need the free loaders.AussieReaper wrote:
He had to be stopped, much the same way as Keneddy, and MLK and Ghandi...
Seriously though, you can't see that the right system has to be a balance between pure capitalism and pure socialism? Both extremes are hugely flawed.
Providing opportunity throgh private risk, and the eventual payoff and growth is what is needed. Not a bunch of fools walking around thinking they are entitled to the good life by the work and risk of others.
Can you even acknowledge any benefits of a centric system, or does any remotely socialist concept equal "free loaders"?
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
The biggest risk takers where the bankers. Your kids will be paying for their mistakes and greed. Biggest socialist payout ever. Risk takers who became free loaders.lowing wrote:
Nope, we need the risk takers, we do not need the free loaders.