hmmm.........where have you stated any opinion or intelligent thought in this post?
Don't want to be labeled a Liberal, quit acting and sounding like one.
Don't want to be labeled a Liberal, quit acting and sounding like one.
You do realize Bush used fear quite a lot to his advantage, right?SGT_Dicklewicz wrote:
This is bf2s D&S, not The President of the United States taking advantage of Americans fears. I would say a bit of a difference?Turquoise wrote:
There's a certain irony to accusing Obama of fear mongering when this thread is essentially the same.
By the way I love how the Liberals don't know what to say to you if you don't like Obama, but you liked Clinton. LOL!
I mean, seriously... What president HASN'T used fear to his advantage?
Don't get me wrong. I don't like bailouts. I don't like seeing the government increase the money supply to a huge extent. I don't like AIG continually being funded when it's clearly a POS company that should either be nationalized or sold for scrap on the market.
But at the end of the day, what is the alternative? It was mostly lack of governmental intervention that got us in this mess.
I'm not assuming Obama is some extraordinarily moral person, but I also don't assume he's evil.
I'd rather let logic guide my actions rather than fear.
Just imagine if McCain won the election.. Economic crisis + total war in the ME
bah..I told you all to vote for Ron Paul.
bah..I told you all to vote for Ron Paul.
Hmmmm, you earned more money this year than last year, you are not in self induced finanical trouble, and you have earned a GI bill. Wow you sure are "lucky". Or there is a lesson in your post.Man With No Name wrote:
really? I have more money this year than I had last year. I have no serious debt, my GI Bill benefits are about to triple in august. Life is great. No swine flu eitherSGT_Dicklewicz wrote:
^^^^^^^shut up!^^^^ have a thought would ya?
If Obama fails, we are all in trouble. I would love to see our Country succeed. Just doesn't look like it is going that way right now.
Oh jesus dont mention Ron Paul, GS will have your head on a stick, rather, thats just one more reason for him to devalue your life. Insult obama, you cant think for yourself. Support McCain, you haven't a clue. Like Ron Paul, you are a dumbass college kid. I said before the election...I would have rather had Ron Paul in office than either of those criminals, GS laughed me off and I lost "credibility". My thoughts still ring the same today as they did before, FUCK DEMOCRATS, FUCK REPUBLICANS. And no, not because I vote on issues...but because I refuse to vote for a criminal political party...neither of them cares if one or the other wins, because as long as one of them wins, they both win, and we lose.
Lesson: He must have voted for the right guy than.lowing wrote:
Hmmmm, you earned more money this year than last year, you are not in self induced finanical trouble, and you have earned a GI bill. Wow you sure are "lucky". Or there is a lesson in your post.Man With No Name wrote:
really? I have more money this year than I had last year. I have no serious debt, my GI Bill benefits are about to triple in august. Life is great. No swine flu eitherSGT_Dicklewicz wrote:
^^^^^^^shut up!^^^^ have a thought would ya?
If Obama fails, we are all in trouble. I would love to see our Country succeed. Just doesn't look like it is going that way right now.
So your pissed at Clinton and Bush right along with the legislative branch? None of those are Obama's fault.SGT_Dicklewicz wrote:
real intelligent retort.
Fear Mongering (IMO) - The basic principle of maintaining fear in a person in which thought process can be controlled, since free thinkers are dangerous!
All I know are some ways, not only my thought process, but just in general the way things have changed for me;
10 years ago - I felt I could leave my job and do just fine.
Today - Feel lucky to have a job
10 years ago - Could sell my home and make a good profit
Today - lucky to sell
10 years ago - could get a loan for anything at a decent rate
Today - Just try to refinance a residence that I have lived in and been paying on for 10 years and hope I have enough equity to do it!
10 years ago - could enjoy a Pontiac
Today - No can do no more here either
10 years ago - We would keep score at my kids games
Today - No scoring till I think 3rd grade.
These are just some examples off the top of my head.
I am gunna guess and say he probably had all of that going on for him before our country elected the messiah. Obama will take it from him and redistribute it, ya know just to be "fair", in the form of taxes. remember someone has gotta pay for allllll of the "free" health care your dreaming of.NantanCochise wrote:
Lesson: He must have voted for the right guy than.lowing wrote:
Hmmmm, you earned more money this year than last year, you are not in self induced finanical trouble, and you have earned a GI bill. Wow you sure are "lucky". Or there is a lesson in your post.Man With No Name wrote:
really? I have more money this year than I had last year. I have no serious debt, my GI Bill benefits are about to triple in august. Life is great. No swine flu either
My parents haven't told me anything.Man With No Name wrote:
what else have your parents told you?
I just finished reading Mark Levin's Liberty & Tyranny: a Conservative Manifesto.
I also know more about history than every History Teacher I have ever had.
I have been listening to Mark Levin's Radio show.
I have read every major document from the time of the founding of this country and understood the meaning of them.
Hey cool, Don Black, Hal Turner, and Alex Jones all supported Ron Paul!AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Just imagine if McCain won the election.. Economic crisis + total war in the ME
bah..I told you all to vote for Ron Paul.
Then maybe you should dig up some facts on "free" healtcare lowing ... all countries that have "free" healthcare use less money pr citizen on healthcare and have healthier citizens with a better life expectancy ...lowing wrote:
I am gunna guess and say he probably had all of that going on for him before our country elected the messiah. Obama will take it from him and redistribute it, ya know just to be "fair", in the form of taxes. remember someone has gotta pay for allllll of the "free" health care your dreaming of.NantanCochise wrote:
Lesson: He must have voted for the right guy than.lowing wrote:
Hmmmm, you earned more money this year than last year, you are not in self induced finanical trouble, and you have earned a GI bill. Wow you sure are "lucky". Or there is a lesson in your post.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Different culture different siz countries.Varegg wrote:
Then maybe you should dig up some facts on "free" healtcare lowing ... all countries that have "free" healthcare use less money pr citizen on healthcare and have healthier citizens with a better life expectancy ...lowing wrote:
I am gunna guess and say he probably had all of that going on for him before our country elected the messiah. Obama will take it from him and redistribute it, ya know just to be "fair", in the form of taxes. remember someone has gotta pay for allllll of the "free" health care your dreaming of.NantanCochise wrote:
Lesson: He must have voted for the right guy than.
In America's entitlement era we will waste emergency room time over a sniffle, bogging down the system, and why not, hey, it is "free" after all.
here is your "facts" on American "free" health care
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29998460/
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Good thing that Bush didn't use fear mongering for political gain when he was in office.
Wait, he did.
Wait, he did.
Yes that imaginary attack on 911 was quite a show. Fits nicely with imaginary Islamic terrorismAussieReaper wrote:
Good thing that Bush didn't use fear mongering for political gain when he was in office.
Wait, he did.
Yes, I believe it were Saudi Arabians who carried out that attack. Not Iraqi's.lowing wrote:
Yes that imaginary attack on 911 was quite a show. Fits nicely with imaginary Islamic terrorismAussieReaper wrote:
Good thing that Bush didn't use fear mongering for political gain when he was in office.
Wait, he did.
You know the Iraqi's who had weapons of mass destruction?
Wait, no they didn't.
Iraq was not about 911 it was about Saddam Hussein.AussieReaper wrote:
Yes, I believe it were Saudi Arabians who carried out that attack. Not Iraqi's.lowing wrote:
Yes that imaginary attack on 911 was quite a show. Fits nicely with imaginary Islamic terrorismAussieReaper wrote:
Good thing that Bush didn't use fear mongering for political gain when he was in office.
Wait, he did.
You know the Iraqi's who had weapons of mass destruction?
Wait, no they didn't.
ANd yeah they did have, or was it kindness that killed the Kurds?
Saddam?lowing wrote:
Iraq was not about 911 it was about Saddam Hussein.AussieReaper wrote:
Yes, I believe it were Saudi Arabians who carried out that attack. Not Iraqi's.lowing wrote:
Yes that imaginary attack on 911 was quite a show. Fits nicely with imaginary Islamic terrorism
You know the Iraqi's who had weapons of mass destruction?
Wait, no they didn't.
ANd yeah they did have, or was it kindness that killed the Kurds?
Weird. All the reports handed to the UN made specific mention of WDM's. Made specific mention of chemical and biological threats which were imminent. Guess all that "evidence" mysteriously vanished.
Oh hey, if it was just about Saddam, I'm sure it's time to pull out and leave then, yeah?
I believe he hasn't been in power for some time now.
Might wanna go back and take a gander at all of the dreaded respolutions the UN imposed on Iraq. They deemed Saddam a threat. THis is a fact.AussieReaper wrote:
Saddam?lowing wrote:
Iraq was not about 911 it was about Saddam Hussein.AussieReaper wrote:
Yes, I believe it were Saudi Arabians who carried out that attack. Not Iraqi's.
You know the Iraqi's who had weapons of mass destruction?
Wait, no they didn't.
ANd yeah they did have, or was it kindness that killed the Kurds?
Weird. All the reports handed to the UN made specific mention of WDM's. Made specific mention of chemical and biological threats which were imminent. Guess all that "evidence" mysteriously vanished.
Oh hey, if it was just about Saddam, I'm sure it's time to pull out and leave then, yeah?
I believe he hasn't been in power for some time now.
Do you really want to leave now after all of the improvments that are taking place? There must be improvments in Iraq, you all have stopped talking about it and turned toward Afghanistan as your proof Bush is afailure.
They deemed Saddam a possible threat, based on the evidence supplied.lowing wrote:
They deemed Saddam a threat. THis is a fact.
The evidence turned out to be false and/or concocted.
Iraq isn't over.There must be improvments in Iraq
When the US leaves they will be leaving a broken country more radical and fundamentalist than when they went in.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
if you think that element didnt exist during the baath era youre a moron. If you think people werent dying of carbombs and suicide vest in Iraq before the invasion, youre a moron.Dilbert_X wrote:
They deemed Saddam a possible threat, based on the evidence supplied.lowing wrote:
They deemed Saddam a threat. THis is a fact.
The evidence turned out to be false and/or concocted.Iraq isn't over.There must be improvments in Iraq
When the US leaves they will be leaving a broken country more radical and fundamentalist than when they went in.
Well, I guess he is in shock, and I am not far from it.Man With No Name wrote:
if you think that element didnt exist during the baath era youre a moron. If you think people werent dying of carbombs and suicide vest in Iraq before the invasion, youre a moron.Dilbert_X wrote:
They deemed Saddam a possible threat, based on the evidence supplied.lowing wrote:
They deemed Saddam a threat. THis is a fact.
The evidence turned out to be false and/or concocted.Iraq isn't over.There must be improvments in Iraq
When the US leaves they will be leaving a broken country more radical and fundamentalist than when they went in.
While it is true that Iraq had radicals before we invaded and that we've generally improved Iraq, Bush did use fear to justify the invasion itself.Man With No Name wrote:
if you think that element didnt exist during the baath era youre a moron. If you think people werent dying of carbombs and suicide vest in Iraq before the invasion, youre a moron.Dilbert_X wrote:
They deemed Saddam a possible threat, based on the evidence supplied.lowing wrote:
They deemed Saddam a threat. THis is a fact.
The evidence turned out to be false and/or concocted.Iraq isn't over.There must be improvments in Iraq
When the US leaves they will be leaving a broken country more radical and fundamentalist than when they went in.
I just hope Iraq doesn't go the way of Pakistan. I suppose that our continued presence in Iraq will mostly prevent that.
He did not use fear. It was prudent that Iraq was no longer ignored like it was the 10 years prior. He was justified based on intel of the time and if nothing else, based on the fact that Iraq broke the resolutions that brought a cease fire in the first place.Turquoise wrote:
While it is true that Iraq had radicals before we invaded and that we've generally improved Iraq, Bush did use fear to justify the invasion itself.Man With No Name wrote:
if you think that element didnt exist during the baath era youre a moron. If you think people werent dying of carbombs and suicide vest in Iraq before the invasion, youre a moron.Dilbert_X wrote:
They deemed Saddam a possible threat, based on the evidence supplied.lowing wrote:
They deemed Saddam a threat. THis is a fact.
The evidence turned out to be false and/or concocted.
Iraq isn't over.
When the US leaves they will be leaving a broken country more radical and fundamentalist than when they went in.
I just hope Iraq doesn't go the way of Pakistan. I suppose that our continued presence in Iraq will mostly prevent that.
It wasn't ignored though. Air strikes kept Saddam contained. Also, Clinton actually lobbied for war before Bush did, but he "prudently" stopped short of invasion because of a lack of international support.lowing wrote:
He did not use fear. It was prudent that Iraq was no longer ignored like it was the 10 years prior. He was justified based on intel of the time and if nothing else, based on the fact that Iraq broke the resolutions that brought a cease fire in the first place.Turquoise wrote:
While it is true that Iraq had radicals before we invaded and that we've generally improved Iraq, Bush did use fear to justify the invasion itself.Man With No Name wrote:
if you think that element didnt exist during the baath era youre a moron. If you think people werent dying of carbombs and suicide vest in Iraq before the invasion, youre a moron.
I just hope Iraq doesn't go the way of Pakistan. I suppose that our continued presence in Iraq will mostly prevent that.
Most of why the first Gulf War was a success was because most of the world approved of it, and the Saudis funded it in full.
By the time Bush entered office, there was no need to invade, because the air strikes worked pretty well.
Sorry, killing a camel and blowing up a tent is hardly an air strike. If it had worked then there would be no need for on going threats and resolutions for the entire decade of the nineties.Turquoise wrote:
It wasn't ignored though. Air strikes kept Saddam contained. Also, Clinton actually lobbied for war before Bush did, but he "prudently" stopped short of invasion because of a lack of international support.lowing wrote:
He did not use fear. It was prudent that Iraq was no longer ignored like it was the 10 years prior. He was justified based on intel of the time and if nothing else, based on the fact that Iraq broke the resolutions that brought a cease fire in the first place.Turquoise wrote:
While it is true that Iraq had radicals before we invaded and that we've generally improved Iraq, Bush did use fear to justify the invasion itself.
I just hope Iraq doesn't go the way of Pakistan. I suppose that our continued presence in Iraq will mostly prevent that.
Most of why the first Gulf War was a success was because most of the world approved of it, and the Saudis funded it in full.
By the time Bush entered office, there was no need to invade, because the air strikes worked pretty well.