Constantine is the creator of the bible as such. Before hand it was a bunch of writings and unabridged text. He call a council and basically decided what books should be included. The books and writings that where used remained relatively unaltered.
Mind you, those popular ones are the oldest, and perhaps the most reliable. Matthew believed Christians should follow Jewish law, and both Luke and John pulled their information from Mark and some other guy whose book was lost.kylef wrote:
Whether or not there are other Gods, my previous statement still stands: the passage confirms that there are no Gods after God. It's entirely plausible that there are other, lesser Gods in this world. "Written by God" is definitely the wrong phrase. It was written by people who felt the Holy spirit - hence the book names. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John to name a few of the 'popular' ones.
And I wouldn't say little has been changed in the wording. Some forged letters of Paul somehow made it into the Bible - like the ones about women being inferior to men. He was in no way chauvinistic - he had women in his... er, clergy? A lot of crap was added by homophobes, chauvinists and quite possibly other ignorant people.
Also: the book of James wasn't written by Jesus' brother... They were illiterate - and only spoke Aramaic.
-kon
Last edited by konfusion (2009-05-01 06:37:30)
'Creator' in this sense implies 'censorship' and 'selectivity'. When you look at the publishing-processes and literal make-up of revered books such as The Bible, you really have to question how so many backwards dumbies have an unquestionable and unalterable belief that everything in The Bible is 100% literal and true. The Bible was created by humans, used by humans exploitatively, and proliferated/transliterated by various different power-tripping humans, and the modern-day Westernised version that everyone subscribes to is no more valid and legitimate than the heeby-jeeby Horoscopes column in your weekly magazine.JahManRed wrote:
Constantine is the creator of the bible as such. Before hand it was a bunch of writings and unabridged text. He call a council and basically decided what books should be included. The books and writings that where used remained relatively unaltered.
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Fixed.konfusion wrote:
They were illiterate - and only spoke Armenian Aramaic.
-kon
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Uh ... no.konfusion wrote:
... there are large discrepancies on whether or not you should follow Jewish law (kosher, circumcision etc.), believe in Christ, or simply be a good person to be ok with god.
xDFEOS wrote:
Fixed.konfusion wrote:
They were illiterate - and only spoke Armenian Aramaic.
-kon
Yeah, I meant that one... stupid me. I'll go edit that.
Yes, there are. Matthew is a believer of Jewish law, for example. It's starting to slip my mind who said what... try reading that bookStingray24 wrote:
Uh ... no.konfusion wrote:
... there are large discrepancies on whether or not you should follow Jewish law (kosher, circumcision etc.), believe in Christ, or simply be a good person to be ok with god.
-kon
Last edited by konfusion (2009-05-01 06:40:12)
The Bible was written primarily by Jews, of course they believe in Jewish law. The Gospels detail the life of Jesus and the birth of Christianity.
Mind you, not all believed in it. Some believed that following Jewish law was exactly the opposite of what you should do. But there are already discrepancies in the birth of Jesus - like where he was born. Historically, and two books of the bible, it's Nazareth.Stingray24 wrote:
The Bible was written primarily by Jews, of course they believe in Jewish law. The Gospels detail the life of Jesus and the birth of Christianity.
-kon
That's indicative of record-keeping at the time, not indicative of whether or where Jesus was born.konfusion wrote:
Mind you, not all believed in it. Some believed that following Jewish law was exactly the opposite of what you should do. But there are already discrepancies in the birth of Jesus - like where he was born. Historically, and two books of the bible, it's Nazareth.Stingray24 wrote:
The Bible was written primarily by Jews, of course they believe in Jewish law. The Gospels detail the life of Jesus and the birth of Christianity.
-kon
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Oh, no. I have no doubts that Jesus was born. I'm just saying there are large discrepancies in the bible, that went as far as to distort its message, and that if anyone assumes this hasn't happened after years of telling the story orally, and only later writing it down, plus two thousand years of translations and interpretations, then I don't know what I can say ^^FEOS wrote:
That's indicative of record-keeping at the time, not indicative of whether or where Jesus was born.konfusion wrote:
Mind you, not all believed in it. Some believed that following Jewish law was exactly the opposite of what you should do. But there are already discrepancies in the birth of Jesus - like where he was born. Historically, and two books of the bible, it's Nazareth.Stingray24 wrote:
The Bible was written primarily by Jews, of course they believe in Jewish law. The Gospels detail the life of Jesus and the birth of Christianity.
-kon
-kon