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TSI wrote:

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

You don't need to be mature to pass your checkride. Just like you don't need to be mature to pass your roadtest. To say that all teenage drivers are not though is nothing short of idiotic. But then again, generalizing is your thing now isn't it?

I can't deny that some teen drivers can be pretty bad. But so can a lot of old people. And medically, their reaction times and senses decrease with age. There is nothing medically wrong with younger people (unless specific to them) that would cause them to be worse drivers. The reason they crash, the majority of the time, is because they are inexperienced behind the wheel. Can it be due to distractions and immaturity? Sure, I'm sure some of the crashes are. But those aren't exclusive to teens. There's just as many 30 year old women who get into an accident because of the reasons you had listed previously.

And my analogy worked perfectly. That 20 year old would be a better pilot because he had the experience. The 40 year old would be worse, if not just a shitty pilot in general because he had very little. Don't just write it off because it doesn't fit your opinion.

Then how is it, you will condemn all old people to your tests and not call it generalizing, when I show the teenage driving group statistically is the one with the problem Odds in my favor, yet you say I am generalizing.

Bottom line is , you want to test the group of people who are not statisatically speaking the problem. While ignoring and taking no action against hte geoup of people who are the problem. Can't really deny that.

I love the generalisations and lack of evidence here, lowing. Check this out:

http://www.erso.eu/knowledge/content/07 … uries_.htm

Interesting: says here that the 75+ age group has the highest rate of crashes

Moreover:
http://www.erso.eu/knowledge/content/07 … age012.gif

So, I think we've concluded that your case, far from blowing anything out of the water, is in fact bLOWING.

Older people pay less in auto insurance than < 25 age here in America.  I am sure you have it right and the Multi-Billion dollar industry has it wrong.

TSI = Totally Sucked It ?

Lowing I disagree - You say that if any one group deserves to be taken off the road it's younger drivers yet you forget that the one thing that really separates younger drives from older drivers is experience. Younger drivers have the advantage of being more-or-less up-to-date with all the road rules, they also are more likely to indicate correctly and know their give-way rules whereas older drives, many of which had very little in the way of anything resembling an exam to get their licenses in the first place, are by far less likely to know and practice these kinds of road rules.

But as mentioned, younger drivers don't have experience. The thing is, they need to be on the road to get this experience. It's my hope that with the lengthy and difficult testing processes and with the road-rules being hammered into this generation of drivers, hopefully in the future it will mean that older drivers have both experience and a thorough understanding of the road rules.

Of course that's not to mention the bogans who enjoy replicating "The Fast and the Furious" but just because those guys fall into th demographic of "younger drivers" I hope you don't judge us all that way.

mcminty wrote:

So, on the drive into uni today I saw...

1. A middle aged women texting while driving. She was dangerously close to crossing into my lane, considering that she had a small car that should usually have enough room in the lane. Using one's phone while driving is illegal here.

2. A few times, cars ahead of me changed lanes without using indicators. One of the times, they came into my lane a few car lengths ahead of me. This is also illegal here.

3. Got cut off by another car. Their lane would have gone into a tunnel, but they changed lanes at the last moment. While they did use indicators, it was rather dangerous. Not illegal, but irresponsible.


None of these cars were displaying "P plates", so it can be assumed that none of drivers were on their provisional lisence. They would have fallen into the group of road users that are apparently the safest.

I saw no p-platers driving in this way.

The real question is; were any of them sucking cock?

ATG wrote:

mcminty wrote:

So, on the drive into uni today I saw...

1. A middle aged women texting while driving. She was dangerously close to crossing into my lane, considering that she had a small car that should usually have enough room in the lane. Using one's phone while driving is illegal here.

2. A few times, cars ahead of me changed lanes without using indicators. One of the times, they came into my lane a few car lengths ahead of me. This is also illegal here.

3. Got cut off by another car. Their lane would have gone into a tunnel, but they changed lanes at the last moment. While they did use indicators, it was rather dangerous. Not illegal, but irresponsible.


None of these cars were displaying "P plates", so it can be assumed that none of drivers were on their provisional lisence. They would have fallen into the group of road users that are apparently the safest.

I saw no p-platers driving in this way.

The real question is; were any of them sucking cock?

A grade-A response, good sir.

None.

Dilbert_X wrote:

mcminty wrote:

A grade-A response, good sir.

None.

Bottom line is no-one in Australia seems to know how to drive a car, or if they do they don't care.

Lol, I took some video on the way home from uni (I was passenger this time). It's about 7 mins of footage - from the approach to the Sydney Harbour Bridge to the expressway after it. The number of people that it shows driving dangerously is staggering (for just 7 mins of the journey).


Oh, but the best part. They were pretty much all full license drivers (so no provisional plates on cars). Not safe at all..

Dilbert_X wrote:

The problem in Aus seems to be everyone want to get where they are going ASAP and never mind the consequences.
I don't get all this zig-zagging and red-light jumping, the risk-benefit just doesn't fly.

I've never understood why someone would go 10-15k's over the limit to zig-zag through 3 lanes of semi heavy traffic. I've seen it happen on the road that I taped this arvo. It's never been the young provisional drivers. Always some middle aged person, in a performance/sports version of a family car.

What do you mean by red light jumping? Like.. running the red light, ie. going through after it's changed to red?

Ty wrote:

Lowing I disagree - You say that if any one group deserves to be taken off the road it's younger drivers yet you forget that the one thing that really separates younger drives from older drivers is experience. Younger drivers have the advantage of being more-or-less up-to-date with all the road rules, they also are more likely to indicate correctly and know their give-way rules whereas older drives, many of which had very little in the way of anything resembling an exam to get their licenses in the first place, are by far less likely to know and practice these kinds of road rules.

But as mentioned, younger drivers don't have experience. The thing is, they need to be on the road to get this experience. It's my hope that with the lengthy and difficult testing processes and with the road-rules being hammered into this generation of drivers, hopefully in the future it will mean that older drivers have both experience and a thorough understanding of the road rules.

Of course that's not to mention the bogans who enjoy replicating "The Fast and the Furious" but just because those guys fall into th demographic of "younger drivers" I hope you don't judge us all that way.

"Younger drivers have the advantage of being more-or-less up-to-date with all the road rules, they also are more likely to indicate correctly and know their give-way rules...."   <----the statistics dictate otherwise.

I am not "judging" any group at all. My point is simple. You want older drivers taken out of your way because of safety concerns. The FACTS are that it is the younger drivers that are the most dangerous, NOT the older ones. It takes very little experience to drive the speed limit, slow down around corners, and obey traffic signs.

The main problem is not in-experience although it plays a part, the main problem is youthful exuberance and all of its manifestations. I already offered a solution for this after I was asked to present one. I think it is a good solution, and it must be, since it has been ignored.

If you want to talk safety and offer solutions to make us all safer on the roads, you can not ignore the largest group charged with unsafe acts, and that group is the teenagers.

Although teenagers do dumb things behind the wheel that cause accidents, I have to say elderly folks are worse.  I've lost count of how many times I've had to make evasive maneuvers to avoid an elderly person driving the wrong way on a 4 lane road IN TOWN.  It's not hard, you're on the WRONG SIDE of the yellow line.  Teenagers are still capable of safe driving, some elderly folks simply are not.  Their reflexes are too slow and they do not even comprehend they are endangering countless people.  I have a lot of respect for our seasoned citizens, but we have to be realistic and pull them off the roads.  That includes my grandma.  Scared the crap outta me riding w/ her.

This is real anecdotal evidence, not your "statistics".

Post your video next to stats for real life deaths.

Dilbert_X wrote:

The problem in Aus there are too many asians who can't drive and too many lebs who love to 'drag' everything

fixd

mcminty wrote:

lowing wrote:

"Younger drivers have the advantage of being more-or-less up-to-date with all the road rules, they also are more likely to indicate correctly and know their give-way rules...."   <----the statistics dictate otherwise.

I'd upload the 7 minute video I took today, but I doubt you would give a shit to watch it. It shows numerous occasions where full license drivers (ie. not young drivers) are changing lanes without indicating, cutting others drivers off and doing other dangerous things in a high speed environment (80+km/h). This is real anecdotal evidence, not your "statistics".

and yet, statisically speaking, it is the teenagers who end up on a slab, or causes someone else to end up on a slab.


Try videoing around town on Friday nights or Saturday nigts.

lowing wrote:

The point is, you can not address safety concerns on the roads WITHOUT visiting the group that does the most damage, and that group is teenagers.

Fair point, I concede.  I forgot about Friday and Saturday nights ... old folks are usually in bed while the teens are still drag racing around the circuit.  If I was a policeman, I'd just sit there with my radar gun and get my monthly quota in one night.

lowing wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

lowing wrote:

The point is, you can not address safety concerns on the roads WITHOUT visiting the group that does the most damage, and that group is teenagers.

Fair point, I concede.  I forgot about Friday and Saturday nights ... old folks are usually in bed while the teens are still drag racing around the circuit.  If I was a policeman, I'd just sit there with my radar gun and get my monthly quota in one night.

Yup, that is all I am saying, I am not championing old people here, but fair is fair, and if your concern is safety, then you are less safe with a teenage drivers on the road than you are with old people on the road.

To me, all of this sounds like the teenagers here want old people out of their way because old people slow them down. Nothing more.

By the way, what do you think of my solution to teenage immaturity on the road? A trip to the morgue to show them the results of teenage wrecklessness as part of drivers ed. and also a recurrent class until say, 21.

I'll concede that there are times when I think my friends could drive a little more responsibly. But I'm talking about going a little slower, leaving a larger gap between the us and the car in front, and not accelerating so.. aggressively. None of what you were talking about occurs. For reference those things were:

lowing wrote:

NOT drinking and driving, NOT texting, NOT speeding to look cool, NOT getting hign while you drive, NOT show boating for the ladies, however, DOES take some skill and maturity.

Which of those things are illegal in your roads system?


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And Lowing mate, this is what I'm basing MY arguements on. It's a PDF of road statistics from the 12 months proceeding March 2009, put out by the Roads and Traffic Authority - the authority on driving etc for where I live.

If you may, please turn to page 8. These two graphs are about road fatalities. Pretty much speaks for itself..