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jonnykill wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

My feelings on Bush can be summed as this,

He has been constantly attacked from Day 1 for un quantifiable qualities.

like " The Emperors Clothes " everyone mimics everyone else's opinion.

it takes some fortitude to form your own opinions and not parrot the loudest  voice.

Bla bla bla etc. PS you never addressed this issue.

Perhaps he was attacked from day one because his election was bullshit .

Sorry, when they counted and recounted, several times, as more ballots came in, Bush's lead widened even more.

It was a close Election.  There have been ones much Closer. The Kennedy election was the most rigged one ever.

If Gore had Won by even one Vote do you think the media would have jumped all over it and made an Issue out of it? Answer. No.

Was it " Bullshit" or "Cool with you" that Gore didn't want Any more Votes added To the Count, Absentee ballots, etc.?

Was it " bullshit " or "Cool with you" that Gore didn't want the Military votes counted (they always arrive late)

Is that not "bullshit " to Void the Votes of people who make voting possible?

jonnykill wrote:

And perhaps since day one he was obsessed with Iraq and clawed , scratched and dug up every excuse to go to war with Iraq .

I didn't think he needed a lot of Excuses to go to war. It was the worst this country has ever been hit including Pearl Harbor. the Attacks stopped on a dime with the War. We did hit the right people. You will get it eventually.

jonnykill wrote:

I don't need to follow anyones mass opinion .

then Why did you reply? I didn't say I was talking to you? did I ? lol

jonnykill wrote:

I was happy when Bush got elected - at first . Since then he has proven to be the worst president we have ever had . This is the first time I ever HATED a president .

You hate? you have met this guy ? Worst ? you base this on what, that we are fighting a War Earlier when its easier to win? Rather than waiting for our enemies to consolidate power like we let Tojo, Hitler and Mousillini[sp]  It cost millions of lives to unseat them. Some of us like, Bush learn from history rather than repeat it. as a matter of interest, How many presidents have you voted for?,

jonnykill wrote:

IMHO the look on his face at the school when he was first notified of the 9/11 attacks showed me he has not one ounce of leadership skills - none whats so ever .

It seems you do take your cues and dialogue from michael moore, get your own material and be Flattered that we want to hear YOUR opinion.

"The look on his Face" was achieved by Moore slowing the Tape down a bit so it made his eye movement appear dazed and sluggish. That  is one of many reasons michael moore's Movie could not be called a documentary legally, ( I know you thought that it was but Sorry it wasn't )

Watch the Unaltered tape.
The look I saw was hate. I watched it and I knew as did any American who wasn't a blind sheep, For the first time in 8 years someone was going to pay hard for hurting Americans. They did pay with a Crushing response.

jonnykill wrote:

And the fact that he STILL gets all flustered with his words in front of a live audience after 4 years of practice - I rest my case .

He can get flustered all he wants, its a Relative term is it not. He can talk with a Western Twang as long as he dosen't cut and Run at the first sign of trouble or doubt. He doesn't lead by polling. I am sick of that. That is what cost The USA so many lives on 911.

I would rest your case also. it does seem weak.

Horse I didn't watch the movie , again I said I saw him on live TV . I'm sorry but all I saw was a person who had no idea what to do .

Granted not President is picture perfect and you can't please everybody but Bush constantly just makes the wrong decisions over and over .

But what does it matter Jesus will save us all .

jonnykill wrote:

Horse I didn't watch the movie , again I said I saw him on live TV . I'm sorry but all I saw was a person who had no idea what to do.

no one saw that In school thing Live. It wasnt aired live. Next.

Horseman 77 wrote:

jonnykill wrote:

Horse I didn't watch the movie , again I said I saw him on live TV . I'm sorry but all I saw was a person who had no idea what to do.

no one saw that In school thing Live. It wasnt aired live. Next.

Maybe JohnnyKill was the little girl on Bushes lap. 


BTW, don't try to make a liberal argue using truth or logic, they become defenseless. ie John "I am against the war I am for" Kerry..... "I am a devout Catholic who believes in Abortion" that is my favorite.

jonnykill wrote:

All of thoes wars had international backing and or genocide was taking place .

And I suppose Saddam and the Kurds were best buddies.

Spark wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

jonnykill wrote:

All of thoes wars had international backing and or genocide was taking place .

And I suppose Saddam and the Kurds were best buddies.

Well lets look at this properly. Lets just start with 'Nam (or the Second Indochina Conflict, as it should be properly known)

Vietnam - Just cause? Everybody thought so AT THE TIME. (preventing spread of communism) But now we would say NO.
                         International backing? Um, yeah.
                         Proportional response? Hardly. Did you really need to kill innocent children and women for no good reason?
                         Last resort? Hard to tell due to lack of declaration of war
                         Reasonable chance of success? Everyone fought so at the time. But know we know how difficult it was to suppress the NLF, especially as they knew the ways of the land and had the support of many, many South vietnamese peasants.

So 1/5 - Not justified.

...though the Soviets didn't get the warm waterport they wanted there. I believe that was the main goal. We didn't want their subs buzzing in and out of Indochina ports.

Spark wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Spark wrote:

Well lets look at this properly. Lets just start with 'Nam (or the Second Indochina Conflict, as it should be properly known)

Vietnam - Just cause? Everybody thought so AT THE TIME. (preventing spread of communism) But now we would say NO.
                         International backing? Um, yeah.
                         Proportional response? Hardly. Did you really need to kill innocent children and women for no good reason?
                         Last resort? Hard to tell due to lack of declaration of war
                         Reasonable chance of success? Everyone fought so at the time. But know we know how difficult it was to suppress the NLF, especially as they knew the ways of the land and had the support of many, many South vietnamese peasants.

So 1/5 - Not justified.

...though the Soviets didn't get the warm waterport they wanted there. I believe that was the main goal. We didn't want their subs buzzing in and out of Indochina ports.

Fine. 2/5. Still not justified.

So, preventing the Soviets from spreading their influence (though they weren't the only communists) wasn't justified. Er, OK...

Not that I agree with some of the ways the war in Vietnam was fought. The troops there could have used a bit more autonomy, and a bit less of the micromanagement from the oval office. Still, I find it difficult to believe that people so loudly view the US as the evil empire, given the history of the human race. I doubt you'll find any passages about Ghengis Khan sending convoys of food and aid to the beleaguered people of the middle east, unless you count the occasional diverted river over the pebbled remnants of a city, or how well the Ottoman Empire got along with its eastern European neighbors.

Spark wrote:

WTF? Maths 101!!!!

1 = 'International backing? Um, yeah.'

1 = 'We didn't want their subs buzzing in and out of Indochina ports'

1 + 1 = 2

2 reasons is not enough to warrant a justified war.

I never said the the US was an evil empire. I more see it as a corporate, brainwashed (cough) wannabe-empire.

The possibility of a Soviet port in Indochina would have constituted a bit more than "one" reason. Perhaps we didn't want to see everything in the area converted into a Soviet outpost, squatted upon by their navy. Then again, many of the war protesters might have seen the spread of communism as a good thing.

I currently fail to see why people view the fall of Saddam's regime as a bad thing.

jonnykill wrote:

Today a group of investigators smuggled Radioactive material through the North and South of parts of the US . Enough to make 2 dirty bombs killing hundreds of thousands of people . On Bushie's watch . Great leadership .

u r a retard.

Major_Spittle wrote:

jonnykill wrote:

Today a group of investigators smuggled Radioactive material through the North and South of parts of the US . Enough to make 2 dirty bombs killing hundreds of thousands of people . On Bushie's watch . Great leadership .

u r a retard.

Me ? Or Bush ? I hope you mean Bush . I'm really sensitive and you just might hurt my feelings .

Oh and Horsey 77 your ARE right - the part of Bush not doing a damn thing while our country was attacked
WASN"T live , it was taped . But taped , live , slowed down , re-cut , un-cut , sped up x4 , with music or without still dosen't refute the fact he just sat there for 20 minutes before doing anything about it . Must have been one hell of a book .

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/27/D8GK83AG6.html

jonnykill wrote:

Oh and Horsey 77 your ARE right - .

I know.

I never argue unless I know all the facts,
If I dont know all the facts, I spend my time listening to others.

jonnykill wrote:

it WASN"T live , it was taped and slowed down , still dosen't refute the fact he just sat there for 20 minutes before doing anything about it . Must have been one hell of a book .

" Horsey",   lol is that some dim wited attempt at insult ? I let the truly small stuff ( yours ) slide every time.

It wasnt 20 minutes.

He was in contact as the reports came in. You could see him acknowledging  statements, Nodding Yes and no  Etc. You wanted him running around or doing calisthenics no doubt, But almost everything a president handles in a Crisis is done by phone since they were invented. Sorry.

It takes much more than 20 minutes to acumulate, sort and verify the facts. A response should not be made in haste.

If he had froze for 20 minutes ( and no one of any note seems to think he did ) he would be in good company. General Douglas McArthur locked himself in his Bedroom for 24 hours after the Pearl Harbor, Joseph Stalin Locked himself in his room for two weeks when Germany crossed his border. clinton never responded to an attack at all in 8 years of them. Thats not freezing, thats petrification! lol

If this is going to turn into a " Battle "  of wits, I should like you to notice you are unarmed.

Last edited by Horseman 77 (2006-03-28 05:39:37)

Where's the option for Love Bush? I noticed you say "hate or Like" Hate is not the opposite of like, it is the opposite of Love.

Your wording alone suggests, subconsciously[sp?], that you don't like the president. Your poll should have read "Do you Hate or love Bush", or "do you like or dislike Bush?"

Can't be a debtate if the question is rigged from the start.