Bertster7
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mafia996630 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:


I totally get where your coming from, but if you haven't been charged, you are Innocent. Lets say a police officer arrests someone for drink and drive, and once they get back to the nick, it turns out he wasn't really over the limit. They de-arrest him, so he's now back at the position he started off in.
If they're as innocent as you claim, why are they being deported?
Because they're fuking illegals, NOT because they're terrorists.
Or not.
The Home Office said: "We are seeking to remove these individuals on grounds of national security. The government's highest priority is to protect public safety. Where a foreign national poses a threat to this country we will seek to exclude or to deport, where this is appropriate."
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Well this wasn't hard to see coming tbh. But they will be deported and probably placed on every nations terrorist "watch list".... so these guys (if they were terrorists) aren't really going to be a threat to anyone unless they take up insurgency in Afghanistan (which isn't advisable lol)


A question out to all our UK residents.

What is the Camera coverage, laws, police actions etc like over there? because we hear that the UK is the "most watched nation on earth" but is that true? is it noticeable at all or discrete... or just like any other country.

(sorry i realize its a bit of topic so someone can PM me their answer/opinion if they'd like)
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mafia996630 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:


I totally get where your coming from, but if you haven't been charged, you are Innocent. Lets say a police officer arrests someone for drink and drive, and once they get back to the nick, it turns out he wasn't really over the limit. They de-arrest him, so he's now back at the position he started off in.
If they're as innocent as you claim, why are they being deported?
Because they're fuking illegals, NOT because they're terrorists.
All the intelligence says they are, but we havnt got enough evidence for a case - thats one of the reasons they use a cell structure.

But we know they've been naughty boys, and whatever the daily mail would have you think people like 5 and 6 still have balls. So bye bye bombers.
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Switch wrote:

Aren't they being deported?  I'd sooner have them out of the country that sitting in British jails eating up taxpayers' money.
I heard they were, btw weren't there 12 of these guys? 11 were being deported and the 12th going, er... somewhere.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
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Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Well this wasn't hard to see coming tbh. But they will be deported and probably placed on every nations terrorist "watch list".... so these guys (if they were terrorists) aren't really going to be a threat to anyone unless they take up insurgency in Afghanistan (which isn't advisable lol)


A question out to all our UK residents.

What is the Camera coverage, laws, police actions etc like over there? because we hear that the UK is the "most watched nation on earth" but is that true? is it noticeable at all or discrete... or just like any other country.

(sorry i realize its a bit of topic so someone can PM me their answer/opinion if they'd like)
There are lots of CCTV cameras. They are only in sensitive areas, high crime rate areas or very busy areas. I have no issue with it.

There is a lot of it, but it doesn't seem in the slightest bit intrusive. I quite like it.
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lowing wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

Greater Manchester Police have released without charge all 11 men arrested a fortnight ago in the north-west of England over an alleged terror plot. The last two men to be released have joined nine others given their freedom last night.

Gordon Brown had claimed the operation uncovered a "very big plot" against the UK.

In a statement, Greater Manchester police said: "The 11 men were questioned and the evidence gathered presented to the CPS who advised there was insufficient evidence gathered within the permitted timescales which would have allowed a warrant of further detention to be gathered or charges to be pursued.

"It is not possible to bail people under terrorism legislation so the men were released.

"Public safety is always the police's top priority and all information is fully considered and acted upon appropriately to minimise risk to the public."

In a press conference on the steps of the police headquarters, chief constable Peter Fahy said: "These people are innocent and they walk away … there are constant threats to this country but we totally respect the situation, we respect that they are innocent until proved guilty."

Fahy denied that there had been a dispute with the security services or that bringing the arrests forward by up to 12 hours had disrupted the investigation. He criticised speculation by outsiders, including retired officers, but added: "I have not conducted any speculation. I do not feel embarrassed or humiliated by what we have done because we have carried out our duty. I don't think a mistake has been made at all."

The BBC has reported that security services continue to maintain that a terrorist plot had been disrupted by the operation.

Nine of the men are due to be deported after being handed over to the UK Border Agency but it was not immediately clear what would happen to the last two men. One of the 11 is understood to be a British national. The releases came after investigators spent 13 days searching for evidence following the arrests from a number of addresses in Greater Manchester, Liverpool and Lancashire under the Terrorism Act.

The police operation was condemned today by a spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain. Inayat Bunglawala told Radio 4's Today programme: "When these arrests took place in very dramatic circumstances with students being pulled from universities and thrown to the floor, we were told by the prime minister, no less, that this was part of a very big terrorist plot. Clearly there just has not been the evidence produced to substantiate such a plot.

"We would hope that senior ministers and the prime minister will understand that it is completely unfair to make prejudicial and premature remarks in cases like this.

"It is perfectly understandable that not every arrest the police make will result in charges being brought … that is the nature of this sort of police work. What is unacceptable is for the government to make prejudicial remarks right at the outset.

"Now that we learn that actual evidence cannot be gathered to substantiate any terror plot, instead of releasing them with good grace and making clear a mistake has been made, the government is seeking to deport them, citing a very vague national security threat. That is a very dishonourable way of proceeding."

The raids led to the resignation of the country's leading counter-terrorism officer, Bob Quick, after he inadvertently allowed details of the operation to be photographed. Before the men had been interviewed the prime minister spoke of how the police had foiled a "very big plot", but as early as last Monday it emerged the government had spoken to Pakistani officials seeking reassurances that if the men were deported they would not be tortured.

The Guardian understands the decision to arrest the suspects on 8 April came after a three-way row between MI5, senior officers in the Metropolitan police and the Greater Manchester police. MI5 was strongly of the opinion that the arrests should wait while more intelligence was gathered. But in an example of the tensions between Whitehall counter-terrorism officials and their counterparts in the police, the decision was made to take "executive action" even though the intelligence suggested there was little evidence to charge the suspects.

It is understood anti-terrorist officers in the Met disagreed with their counterparts in Greater Manchester that the arrests should be made. But the concern that there was a threat to the public led to the decision being made to move in.

Investigators had desperately hoped they would find something at the suspects' homes. But after initially hunting for, and failing to find, bomb-making equipment, they turned to the computers with their fingers crossed that some evidence of a plot would turn up. They found nothing substantial.

Despite media reports and the plot being talked up by Brown, there was never any evidence that the suspects had identified targets for an attack.

The arrests came several hours earlier than the police had planned after Quick accidentally allowed a top secret briefing document on the raids, Operation Pathway, to be caught on camera by a photographer outside Downing Street when he went to brief ministers on the action. The error led to his resignation after politicians condemned the security breach.

But although police sources said bringing forward the arrests may have compromised the operation, it was only brought forward by hours, which is unlikely to have substantially reduced the amount of evidence available to investigators.

Greater Manchester police said last night that nine of the men, aged between 22 and 38, had been transferred into the custody of the UK Borders Agency. The Home Office said: "We are seeking to remove these individuals on grounds of national security. The government's highest priority is to protect public safety. Where a foreign national poses a threat to this country we will seek to exclude or to deport, where this is appropriate."

Officers from the north-west counter-terrorism unit arrested 12 men under the Terrorism Act following the raids on 8 April. Of the 12 men initially arrested, 11 are Pakistani nationals, 10 held student visas and one is British.

Greater Manchester police said searches were continuing at a property in Cheetham Hill, Manchester. "Protecting the public is the main focus of the police. These arrests were carried out after a number of UK agencies gathered information that indicated a potential risk to public safety," the force said. A 12th suspect, an 18-year-old, was released without charge and handed to the Border Agency for deportation on 11 April.

The arrests led to claims that the student visa system contained loopholes which allowed abuse by people attempting to enter the country for illegal activities.

The government has admitted that the system is flawed and, two weeks ago, introduced tougher measures designed to root out false applications. At the time of the arrests counter-terrorism sources expressed the fear that al-Qaida was using Pakistani students not known to the security services.
FUCKING TOLD YOU SO!

someone want to quote me. k thx.

Edit: ill do it:

mafia996630 wrote:

I wonder how long before the people that were arrested are released.
1 week, 5 days ago, http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=124126
I wonder how many in England will live to regret that decision.
I'm guessing they didn't have enough evidence collected to build a good case against these guys, in which case it really is the fault of the numbnuts who was snapped with a confidential document clearly visible outside his briefcase.

They mentioned deporting some of the guys in question on the news, I wouldn't have too much of a problem with that to be honest. They are not British citizens, Britain doesn't owe them anything... send them home if they're a potential threat.

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