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2009-04-18 20:22:34
Pochsy
Artifice of Eternity
+702|5845|Toronto

Turquoise wrote:

Very nice..    It sounds like we could use you guys as a good role model for education...
It does well, but the kicker is all the people who complain that it establishes a hierarchy early in a persons life and discourages those in the seemingly lower tiers to try to do well in school. They argue that the division of students on such grounds creates tensions that divide students and create an improper learning environment. They push more 3 separate schools to avoid this; a proposal that is simply unachievable with current funding. Once recent move has been to form an all blacks school here in Toronto (it is public and a tester for future schools of the like) designed to create a cohesive group of students and hopefully have them excel. How segregation helps students achieve anything close to useful experiences in the real world, where you WILL have to deal with hierarchies and diversity, I have no clue.

People can't decide what they want.
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
2009-04-18 20:24:25
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6713|'Murka

Pochsy wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Very nice..    It sounds like we could use you guys as a good role model for education...
It does well, but the kicker is all the people who complain that it establishes a hierarchy early in a persons life and discourages those in the seemingly lower tiers to try to do well in school. They argue that the division of students on such grounds creates tensions that divide students and create an improper learning environment. They push more 3 separate schools to avoid this; a proposal that is simply unachievable with current funding. Once recent move has been to form an all blacks school here in Toronto (it is public and a tester for future schools of the like) designed to create a cohesive group of students and hopefully have them excel. How segregation helps students achieve anything close to useful experiences in the real world, where you WILL have to deal with hierarchies and diversity, I have no clue.

People can't decide what they want.
They've been studying all boy and all girl schools here and it seems to be working quite well. Apparently, some educators have figured out that boys and girls learn differently...who'da thunk it?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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2009-04-18 20:25:33
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6707|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:


We used to do that with votech options at high schools. But you don't really see that too much any more.
True.  Unfortunately, there seems to be an Ivory Tower mentality in a lot of educational leadership.  We'd rather focus more on arts and English than on phys. ed., tech skills, economics, and civics.
That would be a big part of the "what is taught" that needs significant reform. But the NEA is to US education what the UAW is to the US automotive industry.
I wouldn't doubt it.  Tenure is bullshit in my opinion.
2009-04-18 20:26:53
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6707|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:

Pochsy wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Very nice..    It sounds like we could use you guys as a good role model for education...
It does well, but the kicker is all the people who complain that it establishes a hierarchy early in a persons life and discourages those in the seemingly lower tiers to try to do well in school. They argue that the division of students on such grounds creates tensions that divide students and create an improper learning environment. They push more 3 separate schools to avoid this; a proposal that is simply unachievable with current funding. Once recent move has been to form an all blacks school here in Toronto (it is public and a tester for future schools of the like) designed to create a cohesive group of students and hopefully have them excel. How segregation helps students achieve anything close to useful experiences in the real world, where you WILL have to deal with hierarchies and diversity, I have no clue.

People can't decide what they want.
They've been studying all boy and all girl schools here and it seems to be working quite well. Apparently, some educators have figured out that boys and girls learn differently...who'da thunk it?
Separation by gender is probably more productive than separation by culture...

 

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