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FEOS wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Did your local Bishop or the Pope encourage you to do so?

Does Islam have the equivalent of a pope? Does the Christian faith have wacky pastors like those in the Westboro Baptist Church? Is it fair to extrapolate out the Westboro Baptist church to tar other Christians with the loony brush?

Yes: Muftis, imams, etc.

If multiple Christian churches preached the same message as Westboro, yes. Those other Christians that followed those teaching would be painted with the same brush.

Spark wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Notice edit.

Oh I'm sorry - did I use some colourful language that offended your delicate senses? I'm open. You attempt to sugar-coat with semantics.

PS The actions of Islam around the world have never affected me. Nor any of my friends for that matter. Come to mention it they weren't actions of Islam - they were actions of DERANGED INDIVIDUALS ACTING AS THEY PERSONALLY SAW FIT, AS INDIVIDUALS GENERALLY DO.

I know you will never be able to divorce the two because you want to wallow in your hate-filled little corner, full of complaints and totally devoid of anything constructive or reasonable whatsoever. Why blame groups or individuals when you can blame sections of a book, eh? Blame the gun not who fired it eh?

Nope, I do not get offended, so no need to apologize, however, again, if you are going to lecture about constructive posting, maintain credibility and practice what you preach.


Those that carry out these actions IN THE NAME OF ISLAM would disagree with you, so would most govts.

Like I said, if you are going to lecture.................

So if I blew up a shopping centre on behalf of the Pope, does that make it the Catholic Church's fault?

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Those that carry out these actions IN THE NAME OF ISLAM would disagree with you, so would most govts.

There are an overwhelmingly gigantic number of humans who carry out many peaceful actions IN THE NAME OF ISLAM and who mind their own business. That's what's important. Like I said, blame the perp not the gun. Take actions to promote safe handling of use of said gun, as is the overwhelmingly predominant case in gun ownership. See what I did there? Most governments actually don't disagree with me, including you're own (might wanna check recent presidential addresses in Istanbul).

How can these people be perpetrating these acts in accordance with Islam if it states emphatically in their holy book that the killing of non-combatants or wounded soldiers is prohibited? Good old religion. Full of contradictory bullshit whether it be Islam, Christianity, Judaism,....

You have to choose to interpret the Quran in an evil manner. If you adhered to rigidly you would be so constrained by contradictions you would probably have to lock yourself into a room until you starved to death.

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Support to the muj was far from that. It was the rapid withdrawal of support that caused the problem, not the support itself.

And if you believe that you'll believe anything. Those tribes kill each other hand over fist for territory and power, if you think they'd happily sit their forever nestled in the gentle bosom of the benevolent west then I'm afraid we're simply going to have to agree to disagree. Experience in modern Iraq and Afghanistan and long held suspicions of the west throughout the region bear out my argument. Do you honestly believe thousand march over burning flags of America because the west 'pulled out of Afghanistan too soon'?

Mekstizzle wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

There are an overwhelmingly gigantic number of humans who carry out many peaceful actions IN THE NAME OF ISLAM and who mind their own business. That's what's important. Like I said, blame the perp not the gun. Take actions to promote safe handling of use of said gun, as is the overwhelmingly predominant case in gun ownership. See what I did there? Most governments actually don't disagree with me, including you're own (might wanna check recent presidential addresses in Istanbul).

How can these people be perpetrating these acts in accordance with Islam if it states emphatically in their holy book that the killing of non-combatants or wounded soldiers is prohibited? Good old religion. Full of contradictory bullshit whether it be Islam, Christianity, Judaism,....

You have to choose to interpret the Quran in an evil manner. If you adhered to rigidly you would be so constrained by contradictions you would probably have to lock yourself into a room until you starved to death.

Yup I heard what Obama said, he also said we (as a nation of like 90% Christian) are not a Christian nation. A nation which has is core values steep in Christian morality is not a CHristian nation. Obama's words are nothing more than PC charged appeasement.

But you really aren't a Christian nation, Christianity is not the official religion. Now the UK, the UK is a Christian nation and could be called one by the PM, as Christianity actually is the official religion.

You say it was founded on Christian values but that's debatable, you're getting mixed up with cultural and religious values. Most modern Western moral values are actually a product of the Renaissance and just a case of moving forward through time rather than Christianity "leading the way"

90% of Americans being Christian, but how many actually practice the religion. For most people, even here, it only goes as far as having the Christian style wedding ceremony and funeral. That's about it

FEOS wrote:

I fully realize what the Muslim equivalent of the Pope would be. I was referencing back to my original statement of "local Bishop or the Pope".

But thanks for the daily dose of condescension. It's simply not a full day until I've read some Euro on this forum trying to show how much more intelligent and worldly he is than us knuckle-dragging 'murkins.

ghettoperson wrote:

FEOS wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

No the equivalent of the Pope would be the Caliph, which doesn't exist.

And on the latter point: no, I wasn't talking about 'those other Christians', I was talking about Christians in the broader sense.

I fully realize what the Muslim equivalent of the Pope would be. I was referencing back to my original statement of "local Bishop or the Pope".

But thanks for the daily dose of condescension. It's simply not a full day until I've read some Euro on this forum trying to show how much more intelligent and worldly he is than us knuckle-dragging 'murkins.

Why the need to drag us all into your little bitch fight?

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

So because I don't subscribe to your brand of anti-America rhetoric, I'll "believe anything"?

Perhaps you should read Charlie Wilson's War. Or take the shortcut and watch the movie. Or research the issue a bit.

I wasn't talking about problems with "the Arab street". I was talking about the problems specific to Afghanistan and the Taliban and the impact of the sudden loss of US support in the power vacuum following the Afghan/Soviet war.

But way to take a single statement and extrapolate it in an unfounded manner to ridiculous extremes.

FYI I did watch the movie, in a cinema, and who were we to dictate who 'filled the vacuum'....? We never, not for a minute, genuinely cared about Afghanistan. All we in the west cared about was countering the USSR on whatever front became available.