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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

"Obviously you do, but given that very few people ever agree with your inane monotonous quasi-RACIST supremely BIGOTED and GENERALISED rants then I guess somewhere in the region of 5 to 10 ultra-right wing morons had a bit of a laugh"

I am not responsible for your short term memory loss.

I mean that I don't really have to deal with such responses to my posts, whereas you probably do and justifiably so. Isn't there a thread about black benefit collecting Muslims being sent to obscure rural regions of Pakistan to have sex with 10 year olds whilst drinking human blood you should be posting in...?

Actually nope not yet,

I take all of those bullshit responses to my posts (kinda like yours) as a lack of a real argument. I believe as smart as you are, ( like how we used to round and round on Israel) that you guys could come up with real arguments to justify Islamic policy and action all over the world, to the double standards on race issues or to socialist issues in America instead of those desporate attacks.  Then again maybe not.

Also, it has not gone un-noticed that it is all of you peace, love and tolerance people that are the most insulting, hateful and close minded in dealing with people you disagree with.

Last edited by lowing (2009-04-16 13:33:27)

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Actually nope not yet,

I take all of those bullshit responses to my posts (kinda like yours) as a lack of a real argument. I believe as smart as you are, ( like how we used to round and round on Israel) that you guys could come up with real arguments to justify Islamic policy and action all over the world, to the double standards on race issues or to socialist issues in America instead of those desporate attacks.  Then again maybe not.

Why would we ever want or feel the need to justify Islamic policy? That is a matter for Islamic nations on their own turf as per their own prerogatives. The attacks are not desperate, they are merely stating the facts of the matter regarding your oft-repeated opinions in teh context of the fact that there are only so many times each of us on this forum can be bothered to engage in a fruitless and pointless argument about nothing with you lowing. We've heard all the extreme right-wing diatribes from you till they're coming out of our ears. Repetition doesn't make the argument valid.

PS I am not a 'peace, love and tolerance' person lowing, I am a realist. I know that war, conflict and difference of opinion is part and parcel of man. And you know full well given how many times we have engaged in debates over the years that I was open to jousting with you time and time again. It's no longer any fun, that's the problem.

see my edit

Funny Islamic policy is the matter for Islamic nations and not for me to question. From what I gather, you are not Palestinian NOR Israeli, yet you spare no expense at voicing your opinions on the matter.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

see my edit

Funny Islamic policy is the matter for Islamic nations and not for me to question. From what I gather, you are not Palestinian NOR Israeli, yet you spare no expense at voicing your opinions on the matter.

I never said you couldn't question it. Of course you can. You are entitled to express opinions on anything you want. But you defeat whatever argument it is you attempt to make all of these times when you try and exaggerate the importance of the issue or try to characterise all Muslims in a particular light by sticking to rigid nonsensical semantic arguments and rampant generalisations. Am I wrong?

Yes you are, I speak of Islam, I have never posted anything in the context of "ALL MUSLIMS". That is YOUR exaggerated response to my posts when a legitament argument against my post is not forth coming.

Like it or not, there is a huge difference between discussing a religion, its laws, and its teachings, against individual Muslims and their actions.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Yes you are, I speak of Islam, I have never posted anything in the context of "ALL MUSLIMS". That is YOUR exaggerated response to my posts when a legitament argument against my post is not forth coming.

Like it or not, there is a huge difference between discussing a religion, its laws, and its teachings, against individual Muslims and their actions.

I can stop you right here: 'I speak of Islam' and refer back to the point I raised about pointless semantic arguments aimed at surreptitiously characterising Muslims based upon your rigid interpretation of a dusty old book you probably never read that contradicts itself from start to finish. Amirite?

I do not speak of a "dusty old book", I speak of the actions carried out TODAY, in the name of a "dusty old book" that is used to justify everything from killing non-believers, cartoon printers, opression, censorship,  and raping little girls.

So no, you arenotrite

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

I do not speak of a "dusty old book", I speak of the actions carried out TODAY, in the name of a "dusty old book" that is used to justify everything from killing non-believers, cartoon printers, opression, censorship,  and raping little girls.

So no, you arenotrite

And my point stands on you engaging in largely unwarranted fearmongering and 'guilt by association' with incessant tales of acts in distant grossly undeveloped nations in accordance with particular interpretations of said 'dusty old book'.  It's transparently Goebbelsesque and rather tiresome. Any CONSTRUCTIVE practical comments or moderate reasoned approaches to issues? Of course not, never. Hooray for sensationalism.

.......and you are living in a self induced stuper if you think the actions of Islam around the world does not affect the entire world. The actions carried out in the name of Islam is undeniable and extensive, touching all of us, either directly or indirectly.

You mean constructive comments like "Fuck Israel" or they are a "bunch of cunts"? Gimme a break Cam, at least, if you intend on lecturing, practice what you preach.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

.......and you are living in a self induced stuper if you think the actions of Islam around the world does not affect the entire world. The actions carried out in the name of Islam is undeniable and extensive, touching all of us, either directly or indirectly.

You mean constructive comments like "Fuck Israel" or they are a "bunch of cunts"? Gimme a break Cam, at least, if you intend on lecturing, practice what you preach.

Notice edit.

Oh I'm sorry - did I use some colourful language that offended your delicate senses? I'm open. You attempt to sugar-coat with semantics.

PS The actions of Islam around the world have never affected me. Nor any of my friends for that matter. Come to mention it they weren't actions of Islam - they were actions of DERANGED INDIVIDUALS ACTING AS THEY PERSONALLY SAW FIT, AS INDIVIDUALS GENERALLY DO.

I know you will never be able to divorce the two because you want to wallow in your hate-filled little corner, full of complaints and totally devoid of anything constructive or reasonable whatsoever. Why blame groups or individuals when you can blame sections of a book, eh? Blame the gun not who fired it eh?

Nope, I do not get offended, so no need to apologize, however, again, if you are going to lecture about constructive posting, maintain credibility and practice what you preach.


Those that carry out these actions IN THE NAME OF ISLAM would disagree with you, so would most govts.

Like I said, if you are going to lecture.................

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

.......and you are living in a self induced stuper if you think the actions of Islam around the world does not affect the entire world. The actions carried out in the name of Islam is undeniable and extensive, touching all of us, either directly or indirectly.

You mean constructive comments like "Fuck Israel" or they are a "bunch of cunts"? Gimme a break Cam, at least, if you intend on lecturing, practice what you preach.

Notice edit.

Oh I'm sorry - did I use some colourful language that offended your delicate senses? I'm open. You attempt to sugar-coat with semantics.

PS The actions of Islam around the world have never affected me. Nor any of my friends for that matter. Come to mention it they weren't actions of Islam - they were actions of DERANGED INDIVIDUALS ACTING AS THEY PERSONALLY SAW FIT, AS INDIVIDUALS GENERALLY DO.

I know you will never be able to divorce the two because you want to wallow in your hate-filled little corner, full of complaints and totally devoid of anything constructive or reasonable whatsoever. Why blame groups or individuals when you can blame sections of a book, eh? Blame the gun not who fired it eh?

Nope, I do not get offended, so no need to apologize, however, again, if you are going to lecture about constructive posting, maintain credibility and practice what you preach.


Those that carry out these actions IN THE NAME OF ISLAM would disagree with you, so would most govts.

Like I said, if you are going to lecture.................

So if I blew up a shopping centre on behalf of the Pope, does that make it the Catholic Church's fault?

Dilbert_X wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._suppo … n-Iraq_war
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/ … 8360.shtml
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS … peech.txt/
http://www.mideastweb.org/iranian_letter_of_2003.htm
http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/terr … nsiran.htm
http://www.newamericancentury.org/Bushletter.htm
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CRG502A.html

Sooo...speculation counts as fact.

Somehow Iran's pre-war support of the NA equates to Iran helping the US against the Taliban. Got it.

Let's just ignore that the Taliban are Sunni extremists and Iran is Shi'a. I'm sure that had nothing to do with it. Let's also ignore the fact that as soon as the US got involved, Iran started supporting the Taliban.

Somehow rounding up a handful of well-known AQ operatives who had been living freely in Iran is "helping against AQ". While also letting others run free in Iran, use Iran as a sanctuary/passthrough, etc. Yep. That's extremely helpful. Got it.

Writing a request you know won't be honored because you have already said "no" to the conditions set forth by the other party is reaching out. Got it.

Offering to provide Iran what they needed for a program that could only be used for power generation and not nuclear weapons development, only to have Iran refuse said help is the same thing as saying "they aren't allowed to have a civilian nuclear program whether or not its supervised by the IAEA." Got it.

Letters from people not tied to the Administration equates to Administration policy. Got it.

Let's go ahead and ignore the GCC's position on Iran's nuclear program. It's just the US.

Let's go ahead and ignore the EU's position on Iran's nuclear program. It's just the US.

Let's go ahead and ignore the UN's position on Iran's nuclear program. It's just the US.

Have I summed it up adequately?

And keep your head in the sand and keep writing your revisionist history about what was actually going on around the invasion of Iraq. I guess you wouldn't have any arguments if you didn't keep clinging to those long-disproved conspiracy theories.

For one who says others have bought into the US's propaganda, you've swallowed Dinnerjacket's hook, line, and sinker.

CameronPoe wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Yeah the whole Islamic extremism part has nothing to do with it. Hezbollah, Hamas, the Taliban, ACM's and AQ really help the situation in the region. Israel hasn't really moved out of its immediate area since the last big war apart from the airstrike on Iraq's nuclear plant and Syria's. It protects itself from its immediate neighbours, and do you honestly think Israel just shoots things to stir up groups to attack them? They'd rather not have to bother with these people at all, groups who recieve support from countries like Iran and Syria and openly in Iran's case. If Israel wanted to take down Iran, it would have done it already with its nuclear arsenal, the Cold War is over, why try and restart it?

Islamic extremism is a relatively modern phenomenon in terms of it being directed against the west. In fact, it only really got going after the CIA armed and trained the Taliban.

Yet another myth. Never happened.

The US armed and trained the mujahedin in Afghanistan, not the Taliban. The Taliban came out of Pakistan after the Soviets left Afghanistan.

Spark wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Notice edit.

Oh I'm sorry - did I use some colourful language that offended your delicate senses? I'm open. You attempt to sugar-coat with semantics.

PS The actions of Islam around the world have never affected me. Nor any of my friends for that matter. Come to mention it they weren't actions of Islam - they were actions of DERANGED INDIVIDUALS ACTING AS THEY PERSONALLY SAW FIT, AS INDIVIDUALS GENERALLY DO.

I know you will never be able to divorce the two because you want to wallow in your hate-filled little corner, full of complaints and totally devoid of anything constructive or reasonable whatsoever. Why blame groups or individuals when you can blame sections of a book, eh? Blame the gun not who fired it eh?

Nope, I do not get offended, so no need to apologize, however, again, if you are going to lecture about constructive posting, maintain credibility and practice what you preach.


Those that carry out these actions IN THE NAME OF ISLAM would disagree with you, so would most govts.

Like I said, if you are going to lecture.................

So if I blew up a shopping centre on behalf of the Pope, does that make it the Catholic Church's fault?

Did your local Bishop or the Pope encourage you to do so?

FEOS wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Yet another myth. Never happened.

The US armed and trained the mujahedin in Afghanistan, not the Taliban. The Taliban came out of Pakistan after the Soviets left Afghanistan.

Are you saying the Taliban is devoid of mujihadeen from the 80s?

I'm saying the Taliban movement came out of Pakistan in the 90's. I'm sure there are some muj who went to Pakistan and joined the Taliban after the war. Which is an entirely different situation than "the US armed and trained the Taliban".

See edit. The US provided considerable assistance to the Mujahideen, an action that was probably not wise and somewhat short-sighted in the context of current anti-western sentiment, Islamic extremism and the effect on local psyches of our history of interference and meddling in the region over the past few centuries.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2009-04-17 05:38:14)

lowing wrote:

Those that carry out these actions IN THE NAME OF ISLAM would disagree with you, so would most govts.

There are an overwhelmingly gigantic number of humans who carry out many peaceful actions IN THE NAME OF ISLAM and who mind their own business. That's what's important. Like I said, blame the perp not the gun. Take actions to promote safe handling of use of said gun, as is the overwhelmingly predominant case in gun ownership. See what I did there? Most governments actually don't disagree with me, including you're own (might wanna check recent presidential addresses in Istanbul).

How can these people be perpetrating these acts in accordance with Islam if it states emphatically in their holy book that the killing of non-combatants or wounded soldiers is prohibited? Good old religion. Full of contradictory bullshit whether it be Islam, Christianity, Judaism,....

You have to choose to interpret the Quran in an evil manner. If you adhered to rigidly you would be so constrained by contradictions you would probably have to lock yourself into a room until you starved to death.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2009-04-17 06:00:50)

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Did your local Bishop or the Pope encourage you to do so?

Does Islam have the equivalent of a pope? Does the Christian faith have wacky pastors like those in the Westboro Baptist Church? Is it fair to extrapolate out the Westboro Baptist church to tar other Christians with the loony brush?

Yes: Muftis, imams, etc.

If multiple Christian churches preached the same message as Westboro, yes. Those other Christians that followed those teaching would be painted with the same brush.