what would have been the alternative? let them get the hostage to land? those fucking skinnies picked the wrong boat to hijack. this is a life and death game they're choosing to play, the more we kill the better.wah1188 wrote:
It's hard to tell if killing them skinnies was a good move or not. I mean no one has been harmed properly until now.
I love how this turned out.
Damn bastards hijack ships for years and get the ransoms they demmand. Then, they hijack the first American vessel in 200 years and try to do the same as with everyone else. What do we do? kick their asses off the ship and snipe the ones that stay behind. So now they go back to hijacking other countries. I love my country
Damn bastards hijack ships for years and get the ransoms they demmand. Then, they hijack the first American vessel in 200 years and try to do the same as with everyone else. What do we do? kick their asses off the ship and snipe the ones that stay behind. So now they go back to hijacking other countries. I love my country
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Someone post a link to the break8ing cnn news about the failed hijacking of an african aid food supply boat. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
*giggles*
People make it sound like if we wipe them out now more people won't just take their place. It's not an army or ideology, it's a business. Even if you kill every single pirate there; other people will just go and try to make money the same way they did.
People make it sound like if we wipe them out now more people won't just take their place. It's not an army or ideology, it's a business. Even if you kill every single pirate there; other people will just go and try to make money the same way they did.
That's why you have to make it clear that only an armada of warships will be able to capture anything out there. The thought of multibillion dollar commercial ships sailing without any means of protection is absurd. It's been a staple of humanity for as long as we've been recognizable as humans, that which is valuable must be protected, now we'd better start protecting.Macbeth wrote:
*giggles*
People make it sound like if we wipe them out now more people won't just take their place. It's not an army or ideology, it's a business. Even if you kill every single pirate there; other people will just go and try to make money the same way they did.
Exactly, wiping out the pirates or even the people isn't a solution. There is a solution here, I'm just not seeing it.S.Lythberg wrote:
That's why you have to make it clear that only an armada of warships will be able to capture anything out there. The thought of multibillion dollar commercial ships sailing without any means of protection is absurd. It's been a staple of humanity for as long as we've been recognizable as humans, that which is valuable must be protected, now we'd better start protecting.Macbeth wrote:
*giggles*
People make it sound like if we wipe them out now more people won't just take their place. It's not an army or ideology, it's a business. Even if you kill every single pirate there; other people will just go and try to make money the same way they did.
.60's mounted around the bridge of the ship.Macbeth wrote:
Exactly, wiping out the pirates or even the people isn't a solution. There is a solution here, I'm just not seeing it.S.Lythberg wrote:
That's why you have to make it clear that only an armada of warships will be able to capture anything out there. The thought of multibillion dollar commercial ships sailing without any means of protection is absurd. It's been a staple of humanity for as long as we've been recognizable as humans, that which is valuable must be protected, now we'd better start protecting.Macbeth wrote:
*giggles*
People make it sound like if we wipe them out now more people won't just take their place. It's not an army or ideology, it's a business. Even if you kill every single pirate there; other people will just go and try to make money the same way they did.
If I was a 20-something Somali with nothing but an AK-47 to my name, you'd better bet I'd be out on that pirate boat, unless something nasty is out there waiting for me.
Of course, the fact that we even recognize Somalia as a nation is ridiculous in itself, much of Africa should be renamed as simply "African Territory" and let them draw the lines themselves, seeing as they all have some innate hate for each other. If they want tribal leadership that bad, let them have it.
The point is Macbeth, if the rest of the world closed their gaping vaginas, and started shooting back at these fuckheads, they might get the hint and stop this shit, knowing that every boat has a 40mikemike and .50 sniper on deck. They're banking on everyones pussy juices to keep on flowing. An alternative, if people can't defend themselves, is for the United States Navy to actively patrol those waters, and send the bill for ammo, gas, and operating costs to all those we come to rescue.
in general our shit is protected by our reputation alone. it's all these other countries that jerk off these bandits that puts our shipping in jeopardy and can potentially make the resolution more dangerous. it would be nice if this problem could be resolved with mercenaries, but was glad to see our navy backing up it's reputation.S.Lythberg wrote:
That's why you have to make it clear that only an armada of warships will be able to capture anything out there. The thought of multibillion dollar commercial ships sailing without any means of protection is absurd. It's been a staple of humanity for as long as we've been recognizable as humans, that which is valuable must be protected, now we'd better start protecting.
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hijacking is their business. you make their business environment so hostile that it's no longer possible to operate. If this requires killing dozens or hundreds of these pirates to make the point, so be it.Macbeth wrote:
Exactly, wiping out the pirates or even the people isn't a solution. There is a solution here, I'm just not seeing it.
Shit man, I wouldn't want to feed 60 hostages. Think of the overhead their "business" will have to deal with.
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
These people are hopeless and uneducated, they don't know or wouldn't care about risk verse reward scenarios. Now I like a good slaughter from time to time as much as the next guy but there has to be something else to go along with the killing. I still can't figure it out.Reciprocity wrote:
hijacking is their business. you make their business environment so hostile that it's no longer possible to operate. If this requires killing dozens or hundreds of these pirates to make the point, so be it.Macbeth wrote:
Exactly, wiping out the pirates or even the people isn't a solution. There is a solution here, I'm just not seeing it.
Even people with down's syndrome have a risk:reward analysis, they can figure out the odds. right now they have over a 50% chance of cashing in, make it 2%, with a, 80% chance of dying, and they'll stop.Macbeth wrote:
These people are hopeless and uneducated, they don't know or wouldn't care about risk verse reward scenarios. Now I like a good slaughter from time to time as much as the next guy but there has to be something else to go along with the killing. I still can't figure it out.Reciprocity wrote:
hijacking is their business. you make their business environment so hostile that it's no longer possible to operate. If this requires killing dozens or hundreds of these pirates to make the point, so be it.Macbeth wrote:
Exactly, wiping out the pirates or even the people isn't a solution. There is a solution here, I'm just not seeing it.
They have to work it out on their own. That's the only way they will respect their progress.Macbeth wrote:
These people are hopeless and uneducated, they don't know or wouldn't care about risk verse reward scenarios. Now I like a good slaughter from time to time as much as the next guy but there has to be something else to go along with the killing. I still can't figure it out.Reciprocity wrote:
hijacking is their business. you make their business environment so hostile that it's no longer possible to operate. If this requires killing dozens or hundreds of these pirates to make the point, so be it.Macbeth wrote:
Exactly, wiping out the pirates or even the people isn't a solution. There is a solution here, I'm just not seeing it.
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Who said anything about causing progress? I'm trying to figure out or have someone else figure out a way to make these people never even consider getting in a boat again, beside just killing off all of their pirates.Kmarion wrote:
They have to work it out on their own. That's the only way they will respect their progress.Macbeth wrote:
These people are hopeless and uneducated, they don't know or wouldn't care about risk verse reward scenarios. Now I like a good slaughter from time to time as much as the next guy but there has to be something else to go along with the killing. I still can't figure it out.Reciprocity wrote:
hijacking is their business. you make their business environment so hostile that it's no longer possible to operate. If this requires killing dozens or hundreds of these pirates to make the point, so be it.
I was adding a point to your train of thought. Opportunity is the problem.Macbeth wrote:
Who said anything about causing progress? I'm trying to figure out or have someone else figure out a way to make these people never even consider getting in a boat again, beside just killing off all of their pirates.Kmarion wrote:
They have to work it out on their own. That's the only way they will respect their progress.Macbeth wrote:
These people are hopeless and uneducated, they don't know or wouldn't care about risk verse reward scenarios. Now I like a good slaughter from time to time as much as the next guy but there has to be something else to go along with the killing. I still can't figure it out.
You really are defensive.
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Uh well sorry I get all confused from time to time.Kmarion wrote:
I was adding a point to your train of thought. Opportunity is the problem.Macbeth wrote:
Who said anything about causing progress? I'm trying to figure out or have someone else figure out a way to make these people never even consider getting in a boat again, beside just killing off all of their pirates.Kmarion wrote:
They have to work it out on their own. That's the only way they will respect their progress.
You really are defensive.
Carry on.
when 20 pirate boats in a row don't come back, they'll stopMacbeth wrote:
Who said anything about causing progress? I'm trying to figure out or have someone else figure out a way to make these people never even consider getting in a boat again, beside just killing off all of their pirates.Kmarion wrote:
They have to work it out on their own. That's the only way they will respect their progress.Macbeth wrote:
These people are hopeless and uneducated, they don't know or wouldn't care about risk verse reward scenarios. Now I like a good slaughter from time to time as much as the next guy but there has to be something else to go along with the killing. I still can't figure it out.
Unlikely. At least long term. I really think these guys have a problem understanding consequence.S.Lythberg wrote:
when 20 pirate boats in a row don't come back, they'll stopMacbeth wrote:
Who said anything about causing progress? I'm trying to figure out or have someone else figure out a way to make these people never even consider getting in a boat again, beside just killing off all of their pirates.Kmarion wrote:
They have to work it out on their own. That's the only way they will respect their progress.
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How so? This is pretty much the first time they've had any consequence of any sort.Kmarion wrote:
Unlikely. At least long term. I really think these guys have a problem understanding consequence.S.Lythberg wrote:
when 20 pirate boats in a row don't come back, they'll stopMacbeth wrote:
Who said anything about causing progress? I'm trying to figure out or have someone else figure out a way to make these people never even consider getting in a boat again, beside just killing off all of their pirates.
Suppose you have a pack of dogs. They come upon a river. One dog goes in to the river, gets eaten by piranhas. A second goes in, gets eaten by piranhas. A third goes in etc. Eventually one of the dogs will realize that entering the river = death and thus it won't go in.
But removing a source of easy money will force them too look elsewhere for prosperity, including fixing what is wrong with their country. These men are young, intelligent (relatively), and driven, if that energy was focused towards something constructive, it would be a blessing for the tattered remnant they call a nation.Kmarion wrote:
Unlikely. At least long term. I really think these guys have a problem understanding consequence.S.Lythberg wrote:
when 20 pirate boats in a row don't come back, they'll stopMacbeth wrote:
Who said anything about causing progress? I'm trying to figure out or have someone else figure out a way to make these people never even consider getting in a boat again, beside just killing off all of their pirates.
these guys aren't fanatical jihadis. they're businessmen taking advantage of a loophole. close the loophole and they will move on. these aren't mindless thugs who can't comprehend the consequences of their actions.
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we can make a deal... you guys keep trying to hijack boats... and we will shoot you in the forehead when you do... Deal or no Deal Howie...lol?
Love is the answer
How so? Check the OP, they didn't miss a beat. I think it's only coincidence that it wasn't American ships, since there were none in the area. Simply killing them will not do the trick. You guys are rationalizing from a very convenient position. This logic does not apply in a world of desperation. A world where you've got to arm yourself to survive. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem eradicating them when they attempt to kidnap and hijack. But if there is going to be sustainable safe passage then it's going to take more than one approach.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
How so? This is pretty much the first time they've had any consequence of any sort.Kmarion wrote:
Unlikely. At least long term. I really think these guys have a problem understanding consequence.S.Lythberg wrote:
when 20 pirate boats in a row don't come back, they'll stop
Suppose you have a pack of dogs. They come upon a river. One dog goes in to the river, gets eaten by piranhas. A second goes in, gets eaten by piranhas. A third goes in etc. Eventually one of the dogs will realize that entering the river = death and thus it won't go in.
Reciprocity, move on to what?
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who cares. let them devour each other. and this isn't desparation, this is opportunity. these aren't individuals, desparate to survive. these are organized operations headed by warlords. and as far as sustainable, safe passage that's up to the underwriters and shipping companies. their only concern is the bottom line and that doesn't include their crew's safety. why spend more on fuel or security when the ransom is cheaper? and if anything bad happens it's nothing a little money can't fix.Kmarion wrote:
Reciprocity, move on to what?
i'm still wondering if the maersk-alabama pirates didn't make a mistake when they were picking a ship to shake down. they've been operating for years and this is the first incident involving an american flagged ship and of course it ends as it did.