Kind of like how child molestation continues by Christian priests.lowing wrote:
Sounds like child molestation is alive and well in Islamic culture.
Yup but as stated, it is not sanctioned in Christianity and the US.AussieReaper wrote:
Kind of like how child molestation continues by Christian priests.lowing wrote:
Sounds like child molestation is alive and well in Islamic culture.
Islam and the Islamic nations can not make the same claim.
But by all means keep defending it.
The Christian Church turns a blind eye to it, which is close enough.Yup but as stated, it is not sanctioned in Christianity and the US.
The US govt turns a blind eye to the activities of churches, which is close enough too.
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Well if the highest authority in Christianity condones and turns a blind eye to it, that is the Catholic clergy and the Pope/papal ministers... I guess that infers the same thing, right? Just because you won't find it written and codified morally in the Bible, does not mean that the Christian belief system cannot derive anything from it- a lot of Christian beliefs, morality and attitudes are developed from ancillary sources and inspirations other than the literal word of the book.lowing wrote:
Yup but as stated, it is not sanctioned in Christianity and the US.AussieReaper wrote:
Kind of like how child molestation continues by Christian priests.lowing wrote:
Sounds like child molestation is alive and well in Islamic culture.
Islam and the Islamic nations can not make the same claim.
But by all means keep defending it.
You can't find a literal passage in the Qur'an that condones this behaviour, Shariah law and their blind-eye is the exact same thing as the Christian Catholic church (i.e. the highest form of Christian church and worship) letting their authority slip to excuse thousands of child molestation cases and priestly perversions. The decrees and words of the Pope on important matters and current affairs is basically the same form of mass-worship-crowd-control legitimisation that Muslims find in Shariah courts and institutions. The executive and authorial powers and sanctions of church figures and government/politicians is the exact same principle as those of the Shariah judges and Saudi officials; not doing anything and ignoring a present-problem is just as bad and reprehensible as doing something and making a statement/change. So yeah, right back at you, our beloved resident bigot. I'm quite sure you really never leave a D&ST thread with any self-reproach or changed opinion. Why even bother to post?
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Horseshoes and handgrenades.Dilbert_X wrote:
The Christian Church turns a blind eye to it, which is close enough.Yup but as stated, it is not sanctioned in Christianity and the US.
The US govt turns a blind eye to the activities of churches, which is close enough too.
And the US govt most certainly does not turn a blind eye to the activities of churches (or their members) when they violate the law.
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And herein lies one of the mysteries of the universe.Uzique wrote:
Well if the highest authority in Christianity condones and turns a blind eye to it, that is the Catholic clergy and the Pope/papal ministers... I guess that infers the same thing, right? Just because you won't find it written and codified morally in the Bible, does not mean that the Christian belief system cannot derive anything from it- a lot of Christian beliefs, morality and attitudes are developed from ancillary sources and inspirations other than the literal word of the book.lowing wrote:
Yup but as stated, it is not sanctioned in Christianity and the US.AussieReaper wrote:
Kind of like how child molestation continues by Christian priests.
Islam and the Islamic nations can not make the same claim.
But by all means keep defending it.
You can't find a literal passage in the Qur'an that condones this behaviour, Shariah law and their blind-eye is the exact same thing as the Christian Catholic church (i.e. the highest form of Christian church and worship) letting their authority slip to excuse thousands of child molestation cases and priestly perversions. The decrees and words of the Pope on important matters and current affairs is basically the same form of mass-worship-crowd-control legitimisation that Muslims find in Shariah courts and institutions. The executive and authorial powers and sanctions of church figures and government/politicians is the exact same principle as those of the Shariah judges and Saudi officials; not doing anything and ignoring a present-problem is just as bad and reprehensible as doing something and making a statement/change. So yeah, right back at you, our beloved resident bigot. I'm quite sure you really never leave a D&ST thread with any self-reproach or changed opinion. Why even bother to post?
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1. The church did do to its concern over its image before its concern of the victims. This is an indication that the church knew it was fucked up. Islam not only thinks it is okay they went out of their way to make sure everyone knew they have legalized it and in fact defends the practice.Dilbert_X wrote:
The Christian Church turns a blind eye to it, which is close enough.Yup but as stated, it is not sanctioned in Christianity and the US.
The US govt turns a blind eye to the activities of churches, which is close enough too.
2. The US govt. prosecutes these people when they are caught. Which is why all of the polygamy BS is on the down low and not claimed on taxes. Sorry to disappoint
Nope as stated, the church knows how fucked up it is, their image was of major concern to them, which is why they try to hide it not condone it.Uzique wrote:
Well if the highest authority in Christianity condones and turns a blind eye to it, that is the Catholic clergy and the Pope/papal ministers... I guess that infers the same thing, right? Just because you won't find it written and codified morally in the Bible, does not mean that the Christian belief system cannot derive anything from it- a lot of Christian beliefs, morality and attitudes are developed from ancillary sources and inspirations other than the literal word of the book.lowing wrote:
Yup but as stated, it is not sanctioned in Christianity and the US.AussieReaper wrote:
Kind of like how child molestation continues by Christian priests.
Islam and the Islamic nations can not make the same claim.
But by all means keep defending it.
You can't find a literal passage in the Qur'an that condones this behaviour, Shariah law and their blind-eye is the exact same thing as the Christian Catholic church (i.e. the highest form of Christian church and worship) letting their authority slip to excuse thousands of child molestation cases and priestly perversions. The decrees and words of the Pope on important matters and current affairs is basically the same form of mass-worship-crowd-control legitimisation that Muslims find in Shariah courts and institutions. The executive and authorial powers and sanctions of church figures and government/politicians is the exact same principle as those of the Shariah judges and Saudi officials; not doing anything and ignoring a present-problem is just as bad and reprehensible as doing something and making a statement/change. So yeah, right back at you, our beloved resident bigot. I'm quite sure you really never leave a D&ST thread with any self-reproach or changed opinion. Why even bother to post?
Islam does not do this, they decree it is fine to do and made ity legal and have no problem with it,
Also I forgot to mention Islams founding father was guilty of this act and worse. SO please do not tell me that people that found inspiration in a piece of shit like Muhammed, would not find his acts as acceptable.
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Yeah and Jesus banged a hooker, what's your point?
They're both apocryphal individuals; you cannot discredit and debunk the Jesus-had-a-little-slut story any easier than I can tell you the stories of Muhammad's indiscrepancies were entirely fictional. It all ultimately stems from your bigotism, your indoctrinations, your prejudices. You're willing to accept the spoonfed tellings of the Christian church officials, and you're readily accepting of the great awesomeness of the faith from which your own culture/country derives its modern-day morality... but all the others? BARBARIANS!!! Every culture has an ugly side that is developed from something historically; the important thing is to diagnose and isolate/discuss this separately, not by making sweeping generalisations about an entire culture/nation/race/religion being inherently rotten and wrong. You just can't say that, you don't have the 'Mr.Objectivity' pedastal to stand on in the first place.
They're both apocryphal individuals; you cannot discredit and debunk the Jesus-had-a-little-slut story any easier than I can tell you the stories of Muhammad's indiscrepancies were entirely fictional. It all ultimately stems from your bigotism, your indoctrinations, your prejudices. You're willing to accept the spoonfed tellings of the Christian church officials, and you're readily accepting of the great awesomeness of the faith from which your own culture/country derives its modern-day morality... but all the others? BARBARIANS!!! Every culture has an ugly side that is developed from something historically; the important thing is to diagnose and isolate/discuss this separately, not by making sweeping generalisations about an entire culture/nation/race/religion being inherently rotten and wrong. You just can't say that, you don't have the 'Mr.Objectivity' pedastal to stand on in the first place.
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But Islam is evil! /channelingUzique wrote:
Yeah and Jesus banged a hooker, what's your point?
They're both apocryphal individuals; you cannot discredit and debunk the Jesus-had-a-little-slut story any easier than I can tell you the stories of Muhammad's indiscrepancies were entirely fictional.
Yeah, seriously. Not worth trying, 'zeeq.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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You mean Jesus was human and might have had sex with a woman? Still waiting on the morality crime.Uzique wrote:
Yeah and Jesus banged a hooker, what's your point?
They're both apocryphal individuals; you cannot discredit and debunk the Jesus-had-a-little-slut story any easier than I can tell you the stories of Muhammad's indiscrepancies were entirely fictional. It all ultimately stems from your bigotism, your indoctrinations, your prejudices. You're willing to accept the spoonfed tellings of the Christian church officials, and you're readily accepting of the great awesomeness of the faith from which your own culture/country derives its modern-day morality... but all the others? BARBARIANS!!! Every culture has an ugly side that is developed from something historically; the important thing is to diagnose and isolate/discuss this separately, not by making sweeping generalisations about an entire culture/nation/race/religion being inherently rotten and wrong. You just can't say that, you don't have the 'Mr.Objectivity' pedastal to stand on in the first place.
I have no faith, and I am a skeptic of Christianity, I however recognize the historical figure of Jesus and his actions words and influence. I can also recognize the historical figure of Muhammed and his actions words and influence.
This ugly side that you so sanitarily discribe is 21st century child molestation, and it has been accepted and condoned by Islam. No amount of "yeah butts" and "what ifs" are going to lend support to the your argument that the US govt, the church or Christians in general support this behavior. It is a crime in the US, for everyone. It is not a crime in major Islamic nations.
THere is no "objectivity" that you can bring to the table to defend the selling, marrying, and molestation of an 8 year old girl. A practice that is legal and defended by Islam and its highest clerics.
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I agree, the mounting evidence as to what Islam is and its orgins would seem to make it not worth trying to defend.Spark wrote:
But Islam is evil! /channelingUzique wrote:
Yeah and Jesus banged a hooker, what's your point?
They're both apocryphal individuals; you cannot discredit and debunk the Jesus-had-a-little-slut story any easier than I can tell you the stories of Muhammad's indiscrepancies were entirely fictional.
Yeah, seriously. Not worth trying, 'zeeq.
Yeah, Wahabbism has had real trouble getting a foothold in Indonesia actually. I was being a dick tbh.FEOS wrote:
Likely due to Saudi Arabia's official practice of Wahabbism, which I don't believe is very widespread in Indonesia. Since secular government and Wahabbism are contradictory to each other, it makes sense that Indonesia and Saudi would be completely different places.Flecco wrote:
Nope, pretty sure they cover the core tenants of the teachings in the Koran. They have a secular government though.lowing wrote:
Maybe Indonesia is not practicing Islam as it was demonstrated by its founder, Muhammed? Which would mean they are not practicing Islam
Unlike the USA's close ally and friend, Saudi Arabia.
@ lowing... Major Islamic nations? I didn't think Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt or Jordan had adopted that specific rule yet. Maybe I'm mistaken.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
How many brothers/sisterd did Jesus have, cousins?
Name one thing he did as a teenager and source it...
You can't. The Jesus story was written after his death and mostly fictional.
Lowing wants us to compare the life of one man to that of the Easter bunny. It doesn't work.
Name one thing he did as a teenager and source it...
You can't. The Jesus story was written after his death and mostly fictional.
Lowing wants us to compare the life of one man to that of the Easter bunny. It doesn't work.
Go read the old testament and we can discuss further.lowing wrote:
I agree, the mounting evidence as to what Islam is and its orgins would seem to make it not worth trying to defend.
There is no 'molestation', read the frigging article.THere is no "objectivity" that you can bring to the table to defend the selling, marrying, and molestation of an 8 year old girl.
As for the rest of it, its common across Africa, the ME and Asia (oh and Utah).
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Everybody knows Jesus went to India as a teenager and became a Buddhist.AussieReaper wrote:
How many brothers/sisterd did Jesus have, cousins?
Name one thing he did as a teenager and source it...
You can't. The Jesus story was written after his death and mostly fictional.
Lowing wants us to compare the life of one man to that of the Easter bunny. It doesn't work.
He did nick all of Buddha's major miracles.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Lol, tried that argument with him. He'll just spin and spin your question as much as he possibly can and pretend like what he sees on IslamWatch and Fox News is good enough to gain knowledge of the entire basis of a religion.Dilbert_X wrote:
Go read the old testament and we can discuss further.
Ah whatever.
The US would have been better served supporting Saddam in invading Kuwait and then Saudi Arabia, instead of bashing the only country in the region which was even close to being a moderate, secular democracy (including Israel).
Just think, 9/11 probably wouldn't have happened.
The US would have been better served supporting Saddam in invading Kuwait and then Saudi Arabia, instead of bashing the only country in the region which was even close to being a moderate, secular democracy (including Israel).
Just think, 9/11 probably wouldn't have happened.
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I do?AussieReaper wrote:
How many brothers/sisterd did Jesus have, cousins?
Name one thing he did as a teenager and source it...
You can't. The Jesus story was written after his death and mostly fictional.
Lowing wants us to compare the life of one man to that of the Easter bunny. It doesn't work.
Sorry, I have never said a thing about mythical miracles and walking on water and raising from the dead. I have only asked you t ocompare the 2 MEN and their words and actions, you refuse to do so, for very good reason
1. As stated time and time again, the old testament IS NOT Christianity, it represents a time long before Christ and in case you hsaven't figured it out yet, you can not have Christianity before you have Christ.Dilbert_X wrote:
Go read the old testament and we can discuss further.lowing wrote:
I agree, the mounting evidence as to what Islam is and its orgins would seem to make it not worth trying to defend.There is no 'molestation', read the frigging article.THere is no "objectivity" that you can bring to the table to defend the selling, marrying, and molestation of an 8 year old girl.
As for the rest of it, its common across Africa, the ME and Asia (oh and Utah).
2. Marriage implyie sex. Even if the sex was removed, selling an 8 year old girl to a middle aged man is bad enough.
It might be condoned across Africa and the ME, and Asia, but the SELLING of little girls is not common in Utah. Keep trying though it is entertaining.
Their words and actions?lowing wrote:
Sorry, I have never said a thing about mythical miracles and walking on water and raising from the dead. I have only asked you t ocompare the 2 MEN and their words and actions, you refuse to do so, for very good reason
Like healing the sick, blind, retarded and lepers?
How are we do take something like that seriously...?
and this has what to do with Islamic sanctioned child slavery and molestation?Dilbert_X wrote:
Ah whatever.
The US would have been better served supporting Saddam in invading Kuwait and then Saudi Arabia, instead of bashing the only country in the region which was even close to being a moderate, secular democracy (including Israel).
Just think, 9/11 probably wouldn't have happened.
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I'm nonreligious, but I hear the whole sex-out-of-wedlock thing isn't too popular among devout Christians.lowing wrote:
You mean Jesus was human and might have had sex with a woman? Still waiting on the morality crime.
Nope like their beheading 600 men or their walking peacefully among the people talking. The lack of action from Jesus speaks volumes as well.AussieReaper wrote:
Their words and actions?lowing wrote:
Sorry, I have never said a thing about mythical miracles and walking on water and raising from the dead. I have only asked you t ocompare the 2 MEN and their words and actions, you refuse to do so, for very good reason
Like healing the sick, blind, retarded and lepers?
How are we do take something like that seriously...?
Still not a crime, only a sin.Havok wrote:
I'm nonreligious, but I hear the whole sex-out-of-wedlock thing isn't too popular among devout Christians.lowing wrote:
You mean Jesus was human and might have had sex with a woman? Still waiting on the morality crime.
Child slavery and molestation however....................