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lowing wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Indonesia is a 'Muslim' nation per se and they don't have these problems. Wonder what makes all these issues so unique to the Middle East/Central Asian countries.

Maybe Indonesia is not practicing Islam as it was demonstrated by its founder, Muhammed? Which would mean they are not practicing Islam

Uzique wrote:

Lowing just give up you stupid numpty.

Austrian Fritzl boned his daughter for years and did some of the most debasing things a human being can ever do to a child and young babies, and he's probably as pious and Christian as you and any of your loony right-wing American friends are. Hell, your majority-Christian nation is ironically denominational from a Catholic church that actively engages in the fulltime hobby of fingering choirboys after Communion wine, so shut the fuck up with the racially-inciting prejudice threads.

lowing wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Lowing just give up you stupid numpty.

Austrian Fritzl boned his daughter for years and did some of the most debasing things a human being can ever do to a child and young babies, and he's probably as pious and Christian as you and any of your loony right-wing American friends are. Hell, your majority-Christian nation is ironically denominational from a Catholic church that actively engages in the fulltime hobby of fingering choirboys after Communion wine, so shut the fuck up with the racially-inciting prejudice threads.

Sorry, the US GOVT. does not legalize child molestation, nor is it part of the teachings of Christ, like it is in Islam. When child molesters are caught in the US they are punished, under Islam it is perfectly legal and normal.

"Racially-incited"? When did Islamic legalized child molesters become a race?

Flecco wrote:

So Qur'an is the correct way to write it in English?

The Qur’an[1] (Arabic: القرآن‎ al-qur’ān, literally “the recitation”; also sometimes transliterated as Quran, Qur’ān, Koran, Alcoran or Al-Qur’ān

Uzique wrote:

Flecco wrote:

So Qur'an is the correct way to write it in English?

Multiple translation, but that is the generally-accepted common and simple way.

The Qur’an[1] (Arabic: القرآن‎ al-qur’ān, literally “the recitation”; also sometimes transliterated as Quran, Qur’ān, Koran, Alcoran or Al-Qur’ān

Last edited by Man With No Name (2009-04-12 19:07:02)

Flecco wrote:

lowing wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Indonesia is a 'Muslim' nation per se and they don't have these problems. Wonder what makes all these issues so unique to the Middle East/Central Asian countries.

Maybe Indonesia is not practicing Islam as it was demonstrated by its founder, Muhammed? Which would mean they are not practicing Islam

Nope, pretty sure they cover the core tenants of the teachings in the Koran. They have a secular government though.

Unlike the USA's close ally and friend, Saudi Arabia.

lowing wrote:

When child molesters are caught in the US they are punished, under Islam it is perfectly legal and normal.

lowing wrote:

I guess Dilbert is off gathering links for his argument that the US has legalized child molestation

March 01, 2003 ::
Utah moves to outlaw child brides for polygamists

For more than a hundred years teenage girls have been married off to polygamist men in the United States, often old enough to be their fathers.

But Lu Ann Kingston rejected her lot as a polygamist wife and walked out. Now she is sharing her history in an effort to promote legislation and make such practices a serious felony, reports the Salt Lake City Tribune.

Kingston who became a fourth wife at the age of 15 says, "Polygamists know there is a penalty, but it's not that great."

Under the proposed legislation marrying a second wife who is a minor will become a second-degree felony, with a possible 15-year prison term.

The Salt Lake Tribune stated in 2005 there were as many as 37,000 fundamentalists with less than half of them living in polygamous households.[43]

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FEOS wrote:

You're using Utah as an example of how the US (that would be the entire country) turns a blind eye to child molestation? Seriously?!

It has been illegal from day one, otherwise Utah wouldn't have attained statehood (it was one of the criteria). There are just people making it MORE illegal (if there is such a thing) by increasing the punishment.

Utah Remains Haven for Older Men Seeking Teen Brides
Salt Lake Tribune--12/14/97--Page: A1
by Greg Burton

The pigtailed girl walked into Sherrie Swensen's office three days after snuffing the candles on her 14th birthday cake. On one side was her smiling mother -- who gave the obligatory parental consent. On the other was a 56-year-old Texan, four times divorced and eager to remarry.
``The girl stood there and hung her head,'' says Swensen, who took office as clerk of Salt Lake County two months before the 1991 nuptials. ``I couldn't even do a regular ceremony. My God, I thought, this child was being sold.''
The marriage so upset Swensen she urged lawmakers to change the law and in 1992 Utah adopted a provision requiring the review of a juvenile-court judge, along with parental consent, before 14- and 15-year-olds could marry.
But while judicial review allowed Utah to dampen slightly its reputation as a haven for out-of-town lechery, homegrown teens -- mostly females -- continue to wed at alarming rates.
Last year alone, nearly 1,000 teen-agers 14 to 17 years of age were married in Utah, including a 14-year-old girl who slipped a wedding ring on a man of 37 and the marriage of a 15-year-old girl to a groom older than 45.
Of the girls ages 14 to 17, 37 percent married men who were at least four years their senior.
Statistics show Utah girls under 16 long have been more likely to marry than boys. A decade ago, only 39 boys ages 15 and 16 took brides. One married a 29-year-old woman. That same year, however, 431 girls ages 16 and younger married. Fifty-six of the girls were not yet 15 years old, and one 14-year-old married a 44-year-old man.
Prior to 1992, Utah was one of only three states where 14- and 15-year-olds could marry without a court order. The judicial provision clearly decreased the number of child brides. Last year, 258 girls and 33 boys ages 14, 15 and 16 married in Utah.
``But now we see more of these girls are coached, their mothers are sitting outside the office,'' Swensen says. ``I've got so many stories of these kids being sold or bartered or whatever -- I guess it's hard to believe a mother or father would sign off on that -- but they do.''
Indeed.
In April, a 13-year-old girl described to a Utah jury the horror of her father marrying her off to a 48-year-old man, when a prosecutor asked if she could have fabricated having sex with older men.
``There's no way my imagination could make up what I went through,'' she answered, while clutching a teddy bear.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Utah Remains Haven for Older Men Seeking Teen Brides
Salt Lake Tribune--12/14/97--Page: A1
by Greg Burton

The pigtailed girl walked into Sherrie Swensen's office three days after snuffing the candles on her 14th birthday cake. On one side was her smiling mother -- who gave the obligatory parental consent. On the other was a 56-year-old Texan, four times divorced and eager to remarry.
``The girl stood there and hung her head,'' says Swensen, who took office as clerk of Salt Lake County two months before the 1991 nuptials. ``I couldn't even do a regular ceremony. My God, I thought, this child was being sold.''
The marriage so upset Swensen she urged lawmakers to change the law and in 1992 Utah adopted a provision requiring the review of a juvenile-court judge, along with parental consent, before 14- and 15-year-olds could marry.
But while judicial review allowed Utah to dampen slightly its reputation as a haven for out-of-town lechery, homegrown teens -- mostly females -- continue to wed at alarming rates.
Last year alone, nearly 1,000 teen-agers 14 to 17 years of age were married in Utah, including a 14-year-old girl who slipped a wedding ring on a man of 37 and the marriage of a 15-year-old girl to a groom older than 45.
Of the girls ages 14 to 17, 37 percent married men who were at least four years their senior.
Statistics show Utah girls under 16 long have been more likely to marry than boys. A decade ago, only 39 boys ages 15 and 16 took brides. One married a 29-year-old woman. That same year, however, 431 girls ages 16 and younger married. Fifty-six of the girls were not yet 15 years old, and one 14-year-old married a 44-year-old man.
Prior to 1992, Utah was one of only three states where 14- and 15-year-olds could marry without a court order. The judicial provision clearly decreased the number of child brides. Last year, 258 girls and 33 boys ages 14, 15 and 16 married in Utah.
``But now we see more of these girls are coached, their mothers are sitting outside the office,'' Swensen says. ``I've got so many stories of these kids being sold or bartered or whatever -- I guess it's hard to believe a mother or father would sign off on that -- but they do.''
Indeed.
In April, a 13-year-old girl described to a Utah jury the horror of her father marrying her off to a 48-year-old man, when a prosecutor asked if she could have fabricated having sex with older men.
``There's no way my imagination could make up what I went through,'' she answered, while clutching a teddy bear.

http://www.mazeministry.com/mormonism/w … brides.htm

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

1. Link Please? I kinda thought I just posted a link in the OP!! Perhaps you should read it.

I read it, no molestation, just marriage.

Child marriage wasn't illegal in Utah, and since it happened the govt clearly didn't do much about it, in fact your beloved Republicans voted to continue it.

Rep. Bill Wright, R-Elberta, one of only five representatives who voted against the 1992 bill, believes the majority of married teens have found bliss, not burden.
``I would be opposed to raising the age, it's totally unnecessary,'' he says. ``I can think of two or three of the best families I know that married when they were 15. So a young man or young woman makes a mistake, you're going to condemn the whole society?''