Cultural Isolationism? Is it not racist to deny someone acess to your country because they were born in another country IF that is the only basis that you are denying them.
disagree, I have no interest in killing women and children in order to keep the US sovereign. I also disagree that the US has attacked "another way of life" regarding the war on terrorism.Braddock wrote:
We always seem to do this, I miss what it is exactly that you want me to comment on and you come out with dancing metaphors... what specifically do you want me to comment on? I'll give you a straight answer.lowing wrote:
Still not denying what I said, I understand, you can't, fair enough.Braddock wrote:
My opinion is this... globalisation is a reality and as such people move around the globe to follow the work, that is a reality, a reality brought about by the US and Western economic vision for the world. If people are coming to the West to do the jobs that Westerners feel are beneath them then so be it, the best we can do is try to integrate them into our society as best we can... and this does not mean banning Christmas or turning to Mecca five times a day. If you do not want to accept this reality then prepare to have toilets that don't get cleaned and streets that don't get swept.
I would be happier if we could be more self-sufficient as modern nations, if we could live within our own means and not rely on plundering the resources of others but that is not the case and many people, both in the West and in the Middle East do not like this... it's ironic lowing that you actually have more in common with a fundamentalist Muslim than a moderate Muslim!
Actually, I have nothing in common with fundamentalist or moderate Muslims.
I have not strapped a bomb to my chest lately in hopes of blowing up some kids, and I do not worship a child molester/murderer as the one who will guide me through life.
...and btw you do have stuff in common with fundamentalist Muslims. You both believe your culture and way of life should not be eroded by foreign values that you disagree with, you both also refuse to condemn as criminal the attacking of another way of life in the name of your culture and values.
I have stated many times what I want you to agree with or deny in this thread Braddock. Deny or agree that any westerner that wants to keep out foreign influence is considered and condemned a racist for rejecting "forward thinking" and "progressiveness" while any attempts for foreign nation that wants to keep the west out, is considered understandable and reasonable, as the west is "meddling".
I do not think I have heard you use the word "meddling" to discribe Islamic encroachment into the west. You do however use it quite liberally to describe the west in the ME
That's great that you saved lives lowing but I'm afraid you can't say you are against meddling while doing sub-contract work for the military in a country that has been the subject of an imperialist invasion. That's a simple fact.lowing wrote:
Nope, says mister, worked on a project that saves lives ( credited with 6 so far) I know how that must disgust you, since it was not lives on the side you support.CameronPoe wrote:
Says Mister Iraqi Contract. lollowing wrote:
I am against "meddling".
Yup, however, that person coming in should be expect to assimilate into their new culture, not expect that culture to start doing back flips to accommodate themLiamPK wrote:
Cultural Isolationism? Is it not racist to deny someone acess to your country because they were born in another country IF that is the only basis that you are denying them.
lowing you may strongly believe that the word "Racist" is being thrown around a lot here, but, you cant possibly be naive enough to believe that you are not a racist.lowing wrote:
Problem is, especially on this forum, "racist" is thrown around like a rag. Anyone who says anything about national pride, closing borders, keeping their money for themselves, wanting to live with people they closely associate with, etc is considered racist. EXCEPT if you are something other than white, then it is acceptable and understandable.destruktion_6143 wrote:
i should follow your lead there.Man With No Name wrote:
the british invented racism. true story.
lowing, seriously, research BNP.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= … fer=europe
"Whites-Only U.K. Party Seizes on Economic Slump to Fuel Gains"
not surprised you would be defending them. the reason why I dont even bother reading your posts.
btw lowing, i am all for the preservation of a countrys culture. what the muslims are doing to england is frightening. taking over neighborhoods, forcing the gov't to bow to them bc they are complaining. seriously, they take offence too easily, pussies.
but the BNP is a white supremacist group that use violence and hate crimes to promote their party. think KKK, but even worse bc they call themselves politicians.
I think I make a very point, I must have, it is being avoided like the plague.
So again, why is a person or group in the west, who is not interested in outside influences in his country considered a racist when it is perfectly acceptable and understandable, for a non-western to feel the same damn way about their country? IF the west influences a country in the ME it is meddling etc, if a ME country influences the west it is "forward thinking" and "progressive".
this group only allows white people to join. im sure your libertarian principals sees absolutely nothing wrong with that.
lowing, all the years Ive read your posts all you ever do is say "but why dont you answer my question yada yada yada"
you are one of the masters of ad hominem here. telling you man, you think you are winning points or proving youre argument. you aint. Most people have the same attitude I have with your posts, glance over em and look for the insulting shit to see if its worth replying to. most the time it really isnt.
lowing, one day I decided to see how other people "debate" politics in a white power forum. I was SHOCKED at the similiarity in words, I mean a lot of the shit you write is word for word, to the things these "people" say to each other
liberal this. illegal alien that. brothers and sisters yada yada. fucking racist peices of shit.
lowing, if you dont admit to being a racist, you are not only one but a retard to boot.
the amount of times Ive seen you brag about the 6 lives youve saved, I hope that they were all Obama voterslowing wrote:
Nope, says mister, worked on a project that saves lives ( credited with 6 so far) I know how that must disgust you, since it was not lives on the side you support.CameronPoe wrote:
Says Mister Iraqi Contract. lollowing wrote:
I am against "meddling".
I do not feel there was anything imperialist about the continuation of a war that the world agreed needed to be fought BEFORE it was fought.Braddock wrote:
That's great that you saved lives lowing but I'm afraid you can't say you are against meddling while doing sub-contract work for the military in a country that has been the subject of an imperialist invasion. That's a simple fact.lowing wrote:
Nope, says mister, worked on a project that saves lives ( credited with 6 so far) I know how that must disgust you, since it was not lives on the side you support.CameronPoe wrote:
Says Mister Iraqi Contract. lol
I am not bragging, as I did not save 6 lives personally. THat would be a discredit to those that have.Man With No Name wrote:
the amount of times Ive seen you brag about the 6 lives youve saved, I hope that they were all Obama voterslowing wrote:
Nope, says mister, worked on a project that saves lives ( credited with 6 so far) I know how that must disgust you, since it was not lives on the side you support.CameronPoe wrote:
Says Mister Iraqi Contract. lol
I worked on a project that improved a system that directly contributed to the saving of 3 aircraft.
I really couldn't care less who they voted for.
here Im gonna pull a lowing right now...
"I see youve ignored my posts, care to argue against any of my points?"
"I see youve ignored my posts, care to argue against any of my points?"
I kinda sorta thought Idid address your post. If not to your satisfaction let me know.Man With No Name wrote:
here Im gonna pull a lowing right now...
"I see youve ignored my posts, care to argue against any of my points?"
its not. im letting you know
Well you are gunna have to hit me again then so I can retry. What is the point you want me to respond to?Man With No Name wrote:
its not. im letting you know
Will you then condemn the Iraq war as an illegality that resulted in thousands of deaths in the same way that the unjustifiable attacks on the world trade centre did? Also, US sovereignty has never been threatened, it wasn't even credibly threatened in WW2. Women and children get killed in the name of protecting US financial and strategic interests.lowing wrote:
disagree, I have no interest in killing women and children in order to keep the US sovereign. I also disagree that the US has attacked "another way of life" regarding the war on terrorism.
I will deny that... for some quite simple reasons. Firstly there is no general consensus of opinion on whether or not these Westerners are considered racists and so you can't make the sweeping assumption on which you are basing your argument. Secondly, there are varying levels of opposition towards integration here in the West e.g. some people are happy to have foreign workers move here as long as they abide by our laws and do not attempt to change our way of life to fit theirs (like myself) while others do not want them here at all no matter how well they integrate with our laws and society, some even consider them to be sub-human and despise them for purely irrational reasons. To bundle all the varying levels of opposition into one group simply so you can cry foul when people accuse the extremist element of the group racist is... well, it's weak debating to be honestlowing wrote:
I have stated many times what I want you to agree with or deny in this thread Braddock. Deny or agree that any westerner that wants to keep out foreign influence is considered and condemned a racist for rejecting "forward thinking" and "progressiveness" while any attempts for foreign nation that wants to keep the west out, is considered understandable and reasonable, as the west is "meddling".
I guess I would describe "meddling" as the intrusion of Foreign Governments or global corporations as opposed to the actions of regular people acting independently. In that sense you could describe the actions of Al Qaeda and other Islamic terror groups as "meddling", yes.lowing wrote:
I do not think I have heard you use the word "meddling" to discribe Islamic encroachment into the west. You do however use it quite liberally to describe the west in the ME
I'm sure there is Halakha (Jewish law) civil law also but only for divorce or seperation matters.Reciprocity wrote:
aren't there sanctioned sharia courts in muslim neighborhoods now?
So it's only civil law.
And both sides have to agree, otherwise they go through the UK courts.
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So you do agree with "meddling"... glad we cleared that up.lowing wrote:
I do not feel there was anything imperialist about the continuation of a war that the world agreed needed to be fought BEFORE it was fought.Braddock wrote:
That's great that you saved lives lowing but I'm afraid you can't say you are against meddling while doing sub-contract work for the military in a country that has been the subject of an imperialist invasion. That's a simple fact.lowing wrote:
Nope, says mister, worked on a project that saves lives ( credited with 6 so far) I know how that must disgust you, since it was not lives on the side you support.
Also, "The world" did not agree that the Iraq war needed to be fought, some of the world's leaders did. If you check the news archives you'll notice there was record numbers marching in the streets all around the world in opposition to the Iraq war. It's like I said lowing, you have way more in common with Islamic fundamentalists than you would think, many of them can't bring themselves to condemn the 9/11 attacks.
this is where lowing talks about the UN sanctions from after desert storm...
1. nothing illegal about the war in Iraq, it was started in '91 with full approval of the world. The UN charged the US with ramrodding the war, and so it did. It can not be helped that the world changed their mind mid policy. THe policy being that Iraq had conditions it must follow in order for the war to end, Iraq agreed then broke those promises, so the war continued. We are not over there land grabbing or stealing oil, or raping the countryside turning Iraq into a Wal-Mart. SO stow your "imperistic" bullshit rhetoric.Braddock wrote:
Will you then condemn the Iraq war as an illegality that resulted in thousands of deaths in the same way that the unjustifiable attacks on the world trade centre did? Also, US sovereignty has never been threatened, it wasn't even credibly threatened in WW2. Women and children get killed in the name of protecting US financial and strategic interests.lowing wrote:
disagree, I have no interest in killing women and children in order to keep the US sovereign. I also disagree that the US has attacked "another way of life" regarding the war on terrorism.I will deny that... for some quite simple reasons. Firstly there is no general consensus of opinion on whether or not these Westerners are considered racists and so you can't make the sweeping assumption on which you are basing your argument. Secondly, there are varying levels of opposition towards integration here in the West e.g. some people are happy to have foreign workers move here as long as they abide by our laws and do not attempt to change our way of life to fit theirs (like myself) while others do not want them here at all no matter how well they integrate with our laws and society, some even consider them to be sub-human and despise them for purely irrational reasons. To bundle all the varying levels of opposition into one group simply so you can cry foul when people accuse the extremist element of the group racist is... well, it's weak debating to be honestlowing wrote:
I have stated many times what I want you to agree with or deny in this thread Braddock. Deny or agree that any westerner that wants to keep out foreign influence is considered and condemned a racist for rejecting "forward thinking" and "progressiveness" while any attempts for foreign nation that wants to keep the west out, is considered understandable and reasonable, as the west is "meddling".I guess I would describe "meddling" as the intrusion of Foreign Governments or global corporations as opposed to the actions of regular people acting independently. In that sense you could describe the actions of Al Qaeda and other Islamic terror groups as "meddling", yes.lowing wrote:
I do not think I have heard you use the word "meddling" to discribe Islamic encroachment into the west. You do however use it quite liberally to describe the west in the ME
2. Bullshit. I have been called a racist myself for not wanting Islamiv influences in America, so again cut the "your genralizing" bullshit argument. It is not an argument at all. It is a safe haven when you do not have an argument.
3. YOu would, yet you never have. THe US however, you spare no expense on the word to describe it.
"But the UN are biased against Israel... oh, damn, wrong thread... no, the UN are good because they back up my Iraq argument... damnit, damn this unsustainable reactionary rhetoric!"Man With No Name wrote:
this is where lowing talks about the UN sanctions from after desert storm...
sorry if it is an inconvenient truth for you to over comeMan With No Name wrote:
this is where lowing talks about the UN sanctions from after desert storm...
lowing we just hate you cus we aint you
I was able to overcome it just fine for the 12 months I was deployed, even after that.
no, its just one of the songs of the same broken record that you play.lowing wrote:
sorry if it is an inconvenient truth for you to over comeMan With No Name wrote:
this is where lowing talks about the UN sanctions from after desert storm...
I was able to overcome it just fine for the 12 months I was deployed, even after that.
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Don't mistake the facts of the day for my approval or disapproval of the UN. I am against the UN period. THis does not change what happened in '91 or subsequentlyBraddock wrote:
"But the UN are biased against Israel... oh, damn, wrong thread... no, the UN are good because they back up my Iraq argument... damnit, damn this unsustainable reactionary rhetoric!"Man With No Name wrote:
this is where lowing talks about the UN sanctions from after desert storm...
If you name the same title I will play the same song.Man With No Name wrote:
lowing we just hate you cus we aint youno, its just one of the songs of the same broken record that you play.lowing wrote:
sorry if it is an inconvenient truth for you to over comeMan With No Name wrote:
this is where lowing talks about the UN sanctions from after desert storm...
I was able to overcome it just fine for the 12 months I was deployed, even after that.
I appreciate your service.
The UN who you rubbish as biased anti-Zionists in other threads? The UN whose headquarters you demanded be removed from the American landmass? Make your mind up mate. Again I will point out that it was not the full approval of "the world", it was the undemocratic opinions of some of the world leaders that gave the US it's apparent support. America also waged the war on the back of a pack of lies regarding WMD, that is a fact, and it transpired that their intel was full of shit and so the legality of the entire war must now be brought into question.lowing wrote:
1. nothing illegal about the war in Iraq, it was started in '91 with full approval of the world. The UN charged the US with ramrodding the war, and so it did. It can not be helped that the world changed their mind mid policy. THe policy being that Iraq had conditions it must follow in order for the war to end, Iraq agreed then broke those promises, so the war continued. We are not over there land grabbing or stealing oil, or raping the countryside turning Iraq into a Wal-Mart. SO stow your "imperistic" bullshit rhetoric.
Who called you a racist lowing? Were they speaking on behalf of the G.L.U.?lowing wrote:
2. Bullshit. I have been called a racist myself for not wanting Islamiv influences in America, so again cut the "your genralizing" bullshit argument. It is not an argument at all. It is a safe haven when you do not have an argument.
I just did didn't I. Al Qaeda and other Islamic groups meddle in Western affairs... there, said it. And I meant it too!lowing wrote:
3. You would, yet you never have. THe US however, you spare no expense on the word to describe it.
1. I "rubbish" the UN regardless, this still does not take away from the FACT that the war was sanctioned by them.Braddock wrote:
The UN who you rubbish as biased anti-Zionists in other threads? The UN whose headquarters you demanded be removed from the American landmass? Make your mind up mate. Again I will point out that it was not the full approval of "the world", it was the undemocratic opinions of some of the world leaders that gave the US it's apparent support. America also waged the war on the back of a pack of lies regarding WMD, that is a fact, and it transpired that their intel was full of shit and so the legality of the entire war must now be brought into question.lowing wrote:
1. nothing illegal about the war in Iraq, it was started in '91 with full approval of the world. The UN charged the US with ramrodding the war, and so it did. It can not be helped that the world changed their mind mid policy. THe policy being that Iraq had conditions it must follow in order for the war to end, Iraq agreed then broke those promises, so the war continued. We are not over there land grabbing or stealing oil, or raping the countryside turning Iraq into a Wal-Mart. SO stow your "imperistic" bullshit rhetoric.Who called you a racist lowing? Were they speaking on behalf of the G.L.U.?lowing wrote:
2. Bullshit. I have been called a racist myself for not wanting Islamiv influences in America, so again cut the "your genralizing" bullshit argument. It is not an argument at all. It is a safe haven when you do not have an argument.I just did didn't I. Al Qaeda and other Islamic groups meddle in Western affairs... there, said it. And I meant it too!lowing wrote:
3. You would, yet you never have. THe US however, you spare no expense on the word to describe it.
2. You speak as if you have never heard all of the name calling and accusations I have endured in this forum simply because I do not want to be surrounded by Islam, in my country that Islam's teaching go directy against. Gimme a break Braddock.
3. Sure, once you have been called on it. You never spoke of it before this discussion. Pretty long limb you walked out on Braddock? Ya sure you wanna venture out that far?
no retort from lowing yet?Man With No Name wrote:
lowing you may strongly believe that the word "Racist" is being thrown around a lot here, but, you cant possibly be naive enough to believe that you are not a racist.lowing wrote:
Problem is, especially on this forum, "racist" is thrown around like a rag. Anyone who says anything about national pride, closing borders, keeping their money for themselves, wanting to live with people they closely associate with, etc is considered racist. EXCEPT if you are something other than white, then it is acceptable and understandable.destruktion_6143 wrote:
i should follow your lead there.
btw lowing, i am all for the preservation of a countrys culture. what the muslims are doing to england is frightening. taking over neighborhoods, forcing the gov't to bow to them bc they are complaining. seriously, they take offence too easily, pussies.
but the BNP is a white supremacist group that use violence and hate crimes to promote their party. think KKK, but even worse bc they call themselves politicians.
I think I make a very point, I must have, it is being avoided like the plague.
So again, why is a person or group in the west, who is not interested in outside influences in his country considered a racist when it is perfectly acceptable and understandable, for a non-western to feel the same damn way about their country? IF the west influences a country in the ME it is meddling etc, if a ME country influences the west it is "forward thinking" and "progressive".
this group only allows white people to join. im sure your libertarian principals sees absolutely nothing wrong with that.
lowing, all the years Ive read your posts all you ever do is say "but why dont you answer my question yada yada yada"
you are one of the masters of ad hominem here. telling you man, you think you are winning points or proving youre argument. you aint. Most people have the same attitude I have with your posts, glance over em and look for the insulting shit to see if its worth replying to. most the time it really isnt.
lowing, one day I decided to see how other people "debate" politics in a white power forum. I was SHOCKED at the similiarity in words, I mean a lot of the shit you write is word for word, to the things these "people" say to each other
liberal this. illegal alien that. brothers and sisters yada yada. fucking racist peices of shit.
lowing, if you dont admit to being a racist, you are not only one but a retard to boot.
I agree with you, lowing is a broken record and he has been entertaining, but now its getting old and we are getting past the point of his entertainment value and seeing him for the real person he is on these forums. If you call him a racist he denies it in this thread, then posts similarly racist views in other threads. his retorts for you calling him a racist is usually an insult or calls you a "liberal", "you take the terrorists side" ect ect...