Warhammer
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= … mOzfkwtCA4

Highlights:
1. US made a GDP of 14.2 trillion last year.
2. $42,015 for every man, woman, and child if given out to US.
3. All ailing the financial system
4. More to come

...Hope it works...*heheheh*

Last edited by Warhammer (2009-04-02 09:28:58)

topal63
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+533|6957
"Hope it works hehehehe" ???

Erm it can't fail, it can only burden and prop up. That is what it is doing; that is what it is meant to do. It is propping up a failed system (WallStreet [the Equity farce gamble & ponzi game], private banking, congressional overspending, etc).

Why do you think the markets are having a small rally?

Let me break it down for you:
1.) Every insider knew Feb-March would be either the near bottom or near bounce. Turns out to be a bounce point.
2.) The summer will be the next near bottom or bounce point.

Based upon that, knowing the general forward looking elements that go into that assessment:

3.) Cash flow was still needed for the bounce (small rally).
4.) That came in the form of the Fed adding assets to it's balance sheet.
5.) The Securities purchased by the Fed from WallStreet institutions, freed up cash for WallStreet to buy assumed undervalued equities.

The Fed has been a market manipulator and WallStreet support mechanism, as far back as I can remember, so same as it ever was.

6.) Increasing the money supply at the Federal Reserve level is cheaper than doing it in the private sector. Why don't bankers support: loans directly to businesses from the fed or expanding the money supply directly? Because anything that doesn't add to their balance sheet or ability to earn interest means they're out of the picture.

7.) The private banking money supply is still in a state of contraction. The pool of available money is shrinking, thus GDP, thus jobs, thus actual money to pay bills with and meet one's daily needs. It is contracting due to accounting procedures. They are required to destroy money; debt; when a loan defaults. If there is a difference in real value (of the asset) versus the debt-instrument (loan) the bank is liable for the difference. If a loan with an existing principle payoff value of $300,000 is only worth $150,000 true market value, then the bank is liable for the difference. Technically $150,000 is being destroyed from the available money pool, now multiply that by a million times--and you've got an insolvent banking system and severely collapsed money supply.

The article is a smoke-screen and yet few will ever read it anyways. It defers criticism to policy makers in Washington, "look what they're doing," while saying nothing about WallStreet or the true nature of the system. It's basically pointless.

The only problem with creating commitments and money at the National level--is failing to get ride of the slimy system existing in the private sector (private money supply creation scheme. PS: That causes more inflation than the Fed does. Why? It's obvious they've created more money through debt creation).

8.) The money supply does need to be expanded--to get back that portion of the money pool destroyed by private banking (their venture into RISK, making risky loans [creating money] for high interest income).

Last edited by topal63 (2009-04-03 13:50:07)

..teddy..jimmy
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Tbh they agreed on more than I expected.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6644|North Carolina
Fuck that shit.  Disband the Fed Reserve and create a public central bank.

Only the government should have the right to create money.  Under our current system, we've foolishly allowed corporations to do it.
topal63
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Turquoise wrote:

Fuck that shit.  Disband the Fed Reserve and create a public central bank.

Only the government should have the right to create money.  Under our current system, we've foolishly allowed corporations to do it.
You know what's truly tragic is the fact that, by law, the first bailout under Pres. Bush by then Secretary of the Treasury Paulson--should not have happened.

a.) The FDIC was in place; and nearly all accounts were secured.
b.) By law Paulson was supposed to place the ailing or failing banks in receivership.

Title 12, Sec. 18310... mandates that banking regulators must take "prompt corrective action" to resolve a bank in trouble. The law mandates that they (the gov. administering the system) place troubled banks, in receivership well before they become insolvent. Then the admin. shall appoint competent managers, cap executive compensation (no bonuses or raises).
If they had begun the process of receivership of course we wouldn't be digging this money-hole deeper and deeper, as most of these problems were known, all the way, back in 2005-2006 and surely well before late 2008. They were required to assume control through receivership, by law. The September crisis was a smokescreen* to avert the law. It is criminal in my opinion. We could have been on the road to getting rid of unproductive WallStreet & Financial sector slime.

Oh hey, but no... it is an endless sea of money to stay insolvency; either with money (bailouts) or by changing the accounting procedures (i.e. the mark to market on-book value of an asset).

*Smokescreen? At a minimum they are covering up either fraud or like a butcher they don't want anyone to know how the hotdogs are made.

Last edited by topal63 (2009-04-04 08:56:54)

ATG
Banned
+5,233|6768|Global Command
I just hope that they don't break everything too badly.


On the upside, if they do and it all breaks down, I get to start shooting.
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|6920|Disaster Free Zone
Akkadian
Egyptian
Macedonian
Roman
Byzantine
Mongolian
Persian
Ottoman
Russian
French
Austrian
British

All have what in common....
Do you believe the US is any different?
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6644|North Carolina

DrunkFace wrote:

Akkadian
Egyptian
Macedonian
Roman
Byzantine
Mongolian
Persian
Ottoman
Russian
French
Austrian
British

All have what in common....
Do you believe the US is any different?
All have fallen?
topal63
. . .
+533|6957
Riddles I like riddles, even god is a riddle this "dumb" atheist likes.

But how do you know we are falling? We wont. Slip yes. Fall no. Or is that just semantics?
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6233|Truthistan
Here is a thing on economic bubbles that is interesting. If its correct we haven't finished slipping, not by a long shot.



The interesting stuff is at about 6:30 minutes - but its worth watching

The video basically states that the housing bubble if it is like all other bubbles takes just as long to get out of as it did to get into, and the level of prices has to fall back to the level at the time the bubble started. The Fed is busy committing money to try and reflate the economy and trying to save its memeber banks and the federal rewerve system from utter collapse. Right now the the market busy talking up commodities to reflate the market. On some of the graphs on this guys program you can see where past bubbles have collapsed, only to inflate to about 3/4 original size only to then finally succumb to utter collapse. Buckle up the roller coaster ride is not finished yet boys and girls.
Freke1
I play at night... mostly
+47|6786|the best galaxy
So were El Queda failed the bankers triumph?
How ironic and sad, truly sad. And annoying.
The unemployment rate is skyrocketing around here.
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