Taxation and voting....

2009-03-31 06:45:59

#1

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|6967|NT, like Mick Dundee

Tax-payers fund the government. The government spends tax-payers money. Should you be required to provide proof that you pay tax on your income to be able to vote? For those unable to get a job, they should have to provide medical evidence of why they are unable to get a job/self-employment to pay tax. There would be no distinctions for how much you paid in tax or anything, just evidence that you've paid income or property tax at some point in your life for a full financial year/evidence you are a government employee (for those who work for the government and don't pay income taxes).

Just curious about opinions on this. Obviously I can't cover all bases because I'm not an accountant/taxation lawyer and I don't have intimate knowledge of every nation's specific taxation laws but just the general principle of having to contribute to the system to have a say on how it is run.

Spoiler (highlight to read):
I null voted.

Last edited by Flecco (2009-03-31 07:29:29)

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2009-03-31 06:49:13

#2

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6455|what

Even if you don't pay tax on your income, you are still taxed in the goods you purchase and services you hire in Australia.

What about someone in the position as a full time uni student who doesn't have employment? Do they lose the right to vote because they don't have a job?

I can see where you're coming from, but the right to vote is held highly in Aus. Not so highly in America if the voter turnouts are to be believed. lol

2009-03-31 06:59:10

#3

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|6967|NT, like Mick Dundee

AussieReaper wrote:
Even if you don't pay tax on your income, you are still taxed in the goods you purchase and services you hire in Australia.

What about someone in the position as a full time uni student who doesn't have employment? Do they lose the right to vote because they don't have a job?

Yes Reaps, you shouldn't have the right to vote if the money for your lifestyle comes from tax payers if you haven't paid tax yourself. As I said I don't have any clear idea on specifics, it's the principle behind the idea I'm looking for discussion on. Only getting to participate in the system if you help fund the system.

Btw is the GST really a tax if the money was government money in the first place or are they just taking back the taxpayer's money for use elsewhere?

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2009-03-31 07:12:41

#4

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6455|what

Flecco wrote:
Yes Reaps, you shouldn't have the right to vote if the money for your lifestyle comes from tax payers if you haven't paid tax yourself.

Well if I was elected into that Govt. I'd simply change the tax threshold to a billion dollars so no one has the right to vote.

Flecco wrote:
Btw is the GST really a tax if the money was government money in the first place or are they just taking back the taxpayer's money for use elsewhere?

How was it govt. money in the first place? The GST is a goods and services tax whenever you make a purchase in Australia. That purchase could be made with money you earned over seas.

2009-03-31 07:20:59

#5

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|6967|NT, like Mick Dundee

AussieReaper wrote:
Flecco wrote:
Yes Reaps, you shouldn't have the right to vote if the money for your lifestyle comes from tax payers if you haven't paid tax yourself.
Well if I was elected into that Govt. I'd simply change the tax threshold to a billion dollars so no one has the right to vote.

Something like this would be written into the constitution and not easily adjustable by the government of the day.

AussieReaper wrote:
Flecco wrote:
Btw is the GST really a tax if the money was government money in the first place or are they just taking back the taxpayer's money for use elsewhere?
How was it govt. money in the first place? The GST is a goods and services tax whenever you make a purchase in Australia. That purchase could be made with money you earned over seas.

I meant using the GST to say that you should get a vote if you are living off welfare. Again, I say I'm aiming for discussion on the principle, not specifics.

Just as an aside, if your sole income is government support, how is paying GST on things you buy a tax? You are already living off tax-payer money so in effect all you are doing is handing money back to the tax payers.

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2009-03-31 08:52:01

#6

Pug: UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate; +652|6845|Texas - Bigger than France

No.
All criminals have the right to vote, even those who are tax evaders

2009-03-31 11:55:46

#7

Lotta_Drool: Spit; +350|6486|Ireland

Should you have to provide evidence that you have paid at least 5% income tax to vote?

/fixed

2009-03-31 12:15:55

#8

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,983|6934|949

Pug wrote:
No.
All criminals have the right to vote, even those who are tax evaders

Felons don't, although I think some can petition for the right to vote and/or vote after they are finished with parole.

I would rather be able to vote on where my tax money goes. You could have certain minimums allocated to various sectors of government, then be able to vote by percentage points on where the rest of it goes. I support that 100%.

2009-03-31 12:56:44

#9

BVC: Member; +325|6998

No, because all citizens have obligations which are outside the realm of taxation.

Also, the idea of linking the ability to vote to taxation is anti-democratic.

2009-03-31 14:52:22

#10

RAIMIUS: You with the face!; +244|7017|US

Flecco wrote:
(for those who work for the government and don't pay income taxes).

It doesn't work that way in the US.
(looks at pay stub) interesting idea...

No, I don't particularly like the idea. It would exclude people, and I think everyone should have a voice in government.
example: Felons can't vote, and have very litte chance to change that. Why? Because they can't vote! No legislator has any real motivation to change that law, and those who would be affected can't vote.

2009-03-31 15:00:10

#11

Magpie: international welder....Douchebag Dude, <3 ur mom; +257|6829|Milkystania, yurop

Representation without taxation

2009-03-31 15:21:30

#12

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6708|North Carolina

Homeless people can still vote. Even if you buy nothing and pay no taxes, if you're a citizen, you can vote.

2009-03-31 17:01:02

#13

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5888

No it would be another way to make sure certain people are denied the right to vote.

2009-04-05 10:24:53

#14

Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6851|San Diego, CA, USA

I think at the bare minimum you should have to have your ID...and if you don't have an ID then you provide a finger print (we already provide our finger print when getting a driver's license).

Right now if I know your address and you don't show up to vote I can show up, say I'm you, sign your name in a book, and then vote for you with NO identification in the state of California.

I know other states have Voter ID laws that are in effect or will be in the in next election to reduce voter fraud with so many recent close elections.

2009-04-05 10:29:41

#15

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7019

Search US reason for abolishing poll tax.

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2009-04-05 13:35:24

#16

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|6967|NT, like Mick Dundee

7 to 11 and those that voted for aren't posting arguments to defend their votes?

That's shit tbh.

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2009-04-05 13:39:14

#17

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6713|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:
Homeless people can still vote. Even if you buy nothing and pay no taxes, if you're a citizen, you can vote.

^ This.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-04-05 16:17:28

#18

LiamPK: Member; +2|6106|Middlesbrough

Government does not just spend money, it dictates rights and liberties and creates criminal and civil law.

If it was based upon all taxes such as VAT/Sales tax nearly everyone would be able to vote.

But income tax, would deny the homeless, unemployed, disabled, those in training, those in education, those of a low income who do not qualify for income tax the right to vote.

Also means you pay for your right to vote.

Last edited by LiamPK (2009-04-05 16:19:58)

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