Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6851|San Diego, CA, USA
/rant on
Ok this is starting to piss me off, but these snot-nosed 20-somethings expecting to be handheld though everything, EXPECTING to be congratulated on everything, and EXPECTING bonuses when they complete something in their job description.
/rant off

So we now have generation of wimpy, afection-seeking, praise-wanting, mimi-adults.  How do we fix it?
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6832|Global Command
More info?
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6749|Chicago, IL
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

Harmor wrote:

/rant on
Ok this is starting to piss me off, but these snot-nosed 20-somethings expecting to be handheld though everything, EXPECTING to be congratulated on everything, and EXPECTING bonuses when they complete something in their job description.
/rant off

So we now have generation of wimpy, afection-seeking, praise-wanting, mimi-adults.  How do we fix it?
Lemme guess.  You just had to train a new employee, eh?
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6851|San Diego, CA, USA

Turquoise wrote:

Lemme guess.  You just had to train a new employee, eh?
Train, mentor, and manage this snot-nosed little fuckers.  Gee wiz...
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina
The emo thing probably doesn't help the situation.  Maybe he was an emo kid.

Anyway, I'm still young enough to remember what it was like first entering the workforce.  I went through a shitload of temp jobs before finding a permanent one, so it was a bit frustrating to have to learn so many new things and adjust so often to a new environment before finding something stable.

Is this guy a temp?
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6851|San Diego, CA, USA

ATG wrote:

More info?
Found this little gem:
Narcissistic College Graduates In the Workplace?

Slashdot.org wrote:

SpuriousLogic writes "I work as a senior software engineer, and a fair amount of my time is spent interviewing new developers.

I have seen a growing trend of what I would call 'TV reality' college graduates — kids who graduated school in the last few years and seem to have a view of the workplace that is very much fashioned by TV programs, where 22-year-olds lead billion-dollar corporate mergers in Paris and jet around the world.

Several years ago I worked at a company that did customization for the software they sold. It was not full-on consultant work, but some aspects of it were 'consulting light,' and did involve travel, some overseas.

Almost every college graduate I interviewed fully expected to be sent overseas on their first assignment. They were very disappointed when told they were most likely to end up in places like Decater, IL and Cedar Rapids, IA, as only the most senior people fly overseas, because of the cost.

Additionally, I see people in this age bracket expecting almost constant rewards. One new hire told me that he thought he had a good chance at an award because he had taught himself Enterprise Java Beans. When told that learning new tech is an expected part of being a developer, he argued that he had learned it by himself, and that made it different.

So today I see an article about the growing narcissism of students, and I want to ask this community: are you seeing the sorts of 'crashing down to Earth' expectations of college grads described here? Is working with this age bracket more challenging than others?

Do they produce work that is above or below your expectations of a recent college grad?" We discussed a similar question from the point of view of the young employees a few months back.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6749|Chicago, IL
Is it a public relations job?

Its hard not to feel a bit narcissistic when working with your average idiot, the stupidity of our customers never ceases to amaze me.

Some schools do coddle though, but its survival of the fittest at mine.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina
Well, on the flipside, companies could start hiring more technical college students.  They tend to be more down-to-earth.

Technical colleges are highly underrated in this society, and yet, they often give people more practical knowledge at a much lower cost.
mtb0minime
minimember
+2,418|6957

This current generation (which happens to be my shitty generation as well) is fucked for life because most everyone grew up with constant pats on the back and people telling them that they are unique and special. I don't care if people call this abuse, but if/when I have kids, I'm going to tell them that they're not unique and special until they've proven it and worked hard. Nothing is handed out for free.
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6851|San Diego, CA, USA

Turquoise wrote:

Is this guy a temp?
No, new job has me overseeing a team of younger developers.  What ever happened to self-discovery?  Figuring out your on problems yourself instead of constantly having me solve them for you.  I mean, I'm not your baby-sitter or nanny, you're a college graduate (or at least that's what HR says), you should be able to figure it our for yourself.  Gee wiz.


"The mode in which the inevitable comes to pass is through effort."
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

mtb0minime wrote:

This current generation (which happens to be my shitty generation as well) is fucked for life because most everyone grew up with constant pats on the back and people telling them that they are unique and special. I don't care if people call this abuse, but if/when I have kids, I'm going to tell them that they're not unique and special until they've proven it and worked hard. Nothing is handed out for free.
From what I've seen, some of the problem might actually be something else.  As far as I can tell (since I still have friends in college), a lot of people of your generation had distant parents.  They were usually busy with work and didn't spend much time actually parenting your generation.  So, as a result, things like the internet became a big part of social interaction and learning.  The whole myspace/facebook format seems to encourage narcissism because of its emphasis on telling everyone your every move in life.  Some people "twitter" on a daily or hourly basis, and that can lead to much self-absorption.

Also, the emo culture seems to encourage an unhealthy brand of introspection.  It's good to get to know yourself better, but if you focus too much on your own struggles without taking a step back for perspective, again, you can become somewhat narcissistic or irritable.

Again, these are just theories, but they seem to match what I've seen in your generation.  Feel free to correct me if need be.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6952

I'm sure you were a good for nothing snot nosed kid at one point or other. Put him in his place, then man the fuck up and quit whining.
-CARNIFEX-[LOC]
Da Blooze
+111|6956
Personally, I can remember growing up and teachers telling us how we need to go to college to get good jobs, etc...  10 years later, and it seems like a bachelor's degree is essentially the new high-school diploma as far as how qualified it makes you look.  I agree that there is a false sense of entitlement from people - "Hey I have a DEGREE, I deserve to be paid $50,000 + for my first job, even though I have no training or qualifications other than this previously mentioned degree..." 

Another problem is the fact that it is unfortunately in universities' best interests to keep enrollment growing, and a lot of state schools (hell, a lot of every type of school) have become little more than diploma mills.  Over half of my undergrad was spent at a school where there weren't many girls (probably 3 guys for every girl...ugh), and I know several who said that they are sure they got a lot of extra help, grade-wise, from professors who probably would not have done the same for most guys in the same situations.  Simply half-ass your way with a D or F until the last few weeks of the semester, go cry to your professor about how life was so hard the past few months, etc., and viola, you pass with a C.  My girlfriend will even admit that although we essentially have the same degree, and took almost the same classes with the same professors (although at different times), that she studied less, LEARNED less, and still managed to graduate with a slightly higher GPA than me.

Another girl in particular comes to mind, whom I graduated from high school with, who my girlfriend was friends with, and who is a complete moron:  she graduated with a biology B.A. at the same time that I was graduating with a biology B.S., and she didn't even have a 2.0 GPA in courses related to her major.  It is university policy that you MUST have a 2.0 in the classes associated specifically with your major, but she complained when she didn't get her degree and one of her professors (a woman, who was also her advisor) simply changed her grades in 2 courses she had taken and done poorly in, to just barely bump her up to a 2.0.  This school is not what I would consider "easy," as even when I was trying my damndest I would still wind up with B's here and there (and I've always been considered a "smart" kid).

This girl went on to get a job making $50,000 for Sprint (wonder why Sprint sucks so much?), and she completely fucks off at her job (spends most of her time texting and shopping online, and this is from other people I know who work with her).  There were many opportunities while at college for her to learn some life lessons and how to get her shit together to make grades and still have fun, but pushover professors and the quest for enrollment pretty much ensured that she was going to graduate no matter how little she tried.

These are just examples from a particular school with a particular issue (low female enrollment) that led to overcoddling and thus a lack of preparation for the real world.  I'm sure if I looked at what goes on with athletes and major state universities I would feel even worse about this trend.

Then there is the whole fact of degrees not being equal...I'm trying to get into dental school, and I have a GPA in the low 3's, but did amazing on the ACT back in highschool and just did very well on the DAT.  But I've been told that my GPA is my biggest roadblock to getting acceptance.  I have met people who have already been accepted to the school I wish to go to, who have business/econ/other non-science-based degrees and really high GPA's from schools essentially the size of a community college.  So while I struggle through biochemistry, physical chemistry, organic chemistry, calculus, molecular genetics, etc., they take a bunch of easy econ and speech skills classes and wind up with a great GPA. 

C'est la vie...

Last edited by -CARNIFEX-[LOC] (2009-03-28 11:29:13)

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Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5877|The Wild West
quit being obese then join the army
-CARNIFEX-[LOC]
Da Blooze
+111|6956

Man With No Name wrote:

quit being obese then join the army
lol who is this directed at?  The youth of our nation?

If I get into dental school I may serve to get them to pay for the schooling, since it will cost me well over $100k otherwise...not sure if they'd take me though, as I'm color-blind, have asthma and one fucked-up knee, although I really think I could make it through basic.
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mcjagdflieger
Champion of Dueling Rectums
+26|6613|South Jersey

Turquoise wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

This current generation (which happens to be my shitty generation as well) is fucked for life because most everyone grew up with constant pats on the back and people telling them that they are unique and special. I don't care if people call this abuse, but if/when I have kids, I'm going to tell them that they're not unique and special until they've proven it and worked hard. Nothing is handed out for free.
From what I've seen, some of the problem might actually be something else.  As far as I can tell (since I still have friends in college), a lot of people of your generation had distant parents.  They were usually busy with work and didn't spend much time actually parenting your generation.  So, as a result, things like the internet became a big part of social interaction and learning.  The whole myspace/facebook format seems to encourage narcissism because of its emphasis on telling everyone your every move in life.  Some people "twitter" on a daily or hourly basis, and that can lead to much self-absorption.

Also, the emo culture seems to encourage an unhealthy brand of introspection.  It's good to get to know yourself better, but if you focus too much on your own struggles without taking a step back for perspective, again, you can become somewhat narcissistic or irritable.

Again, these are just theories, but they seem to match what I've seen in your generation.  Feel free to correct me if need be.
Agreed. As much as I fear for the time when our generation takes the reigns, I can't help but think...Thanks alot baby boomers. You've demonstrated perfectly well how a nation should not be run. Fuck Iraq. Fuck Afghanistan. Fuck Mexico's problems. Fuck giving aid to anybody. Fuck everything. STOP everything, and weed out corruption. Found guilty of corruption? Like the kind where you take money and then make the wrong decisions for your citizens? Well stand facing this wall. Please accept this .308 as a token of my appreciation.
rdx-fx
...
+955|6894

Man With No Name wrote:

quit being obese then join the army
Continual flood of stories like this;
Army vet billed $3,000 for war wounds

pretty much insure that none of the 'best & brightest' are going to be doing much of that anymore.

(What's the word miles past irritated, down the road from pissed, and a couple blocks past livid?)

Last edited by rdx-fx (2009-03-28 14:31:28)

usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7064

i agree.  trophies for everyone even if you lose.  liberal touchy feely crap at its finest.
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6803|so randum

usmarine wrote:

i agree.  trophies for everyone even if you lose.  liberal touchy feely crap at its finest.
Yep it's a bit daft. We weren't allowed to play rugby at school in case we hurt ourselves

wtf.
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Use an umbrella
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

mcjagdflieger wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

This current generation (which happens to be my shitty generation as well) is fucked for life because most everyone grew up with constant pats on the back and people telling them that they are unique and special. I don't care if people call this abuse, but if/when I have kids, I'm going to tell them that they're not unique and special until they've proven it and worked hard. Nothing is handed out for free.
From what I've seen, some of the problem might actually be something else.  As far as I can tell (since I still have friends in college), a lot of people of your generation had distant parents.  They were usually busy with work and didn't spend much time actually parenting your generation.  So, as a result, things like the internet became a big part of social interaction and learning.  The whole myspace/facebook format seems to encourage narcissism because of its emphasis on telling everyone your every move in life.  Some people "twitter" on a daily or hourly basis, and that can lead to much self-absorption.

Also, the emo culture seems to encourage an unhealthy brand of introspection.  It's good to get to know yourself better, but if you focus too much on your own struggles without taking a step back for perspective, again, you can become somewhat narcissistic or irritable.

Again, these are just theories, but they seem to match what I've seen in your generation.  Feel free to correct me if need be.
Agreed. As much as I fear for the time when our generation takes the reigns, I can't help but think...Thanks alot baby boomers. You've demonstrated perfectly well how a nation should not be run. Fuck Iraq. Fuck Afghanistan. Fuck Mexico's problems. Fuck giving aid to anybody. Fuck everything. STOP everything, and weed out corruption. Found guilty of corruption? Like the kind where you take money and then make the wrong decisions for your citizens? Well stand facing this wall. Please accept this .308 as a token of my appreciation.
LOL...  Yeah, the baby boomers did fuck quite a lot up.  China's method of dealing with corruption may become more popular here if we keep finding more Bernie Madoff types.  And to be honest, I wouldn't have a problem with executing them.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6967|NT, like Mick Dundee

FatherTed wrote:

usmarine wrote:

i agree.  trophies for everyone even if you lose.  liberal touchy feely crap at its finest.
Yep it's a bit daft. We weren't allowed to play rugby at school in case we hurt ourselves

wtf.
I hate that rule.

Harmor wrote:

What ever happened to self-discovery?  Figuring out your on problems yourself instead of constantly having me solve them for you.
That's my brother right there. Cbf doing things on his own and is constantly asking for my help with stuff.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
NateW
my sigs worse than yours
+191|6435
It all went south when schools started banning dodgeball.
LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
+175|6682|MN

rdx-fx wrote:

Man With No Name wrote:

quit being obese then join the army
Continual flood of stories like this;
Army vet billed $3,000 for war wounds

pretty much insure that none of the 'best & brightest' are going to be doing much of that anymore.

(What's the word miles past irritated, down the road from pissed, and a couple blocks past livid?)
LividBovine!

Last edited by LividBovine (2009-03-28 16:33:09)

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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6408|eXtreme to the maX
So we now have generation of wimpy, afection-seeking, praise-wanting, mimi-adults.  How do we fix it?
As a manager I'd like to know how to fix it too.

"I did the job I'm paid for - when I wasn't surfing the web, 'phoning my friends to organise my social life, sitting in the canteen yakking, taking time off sick because I had a heavy weekend or injured myself jetskiing and wailing about how any mistakes I made were not my fault, I want the maximum rating on my appraisal or I'm leaving"

"I did the job I'm paid for, kind of - see above, I want the maximum pay rise, during a pay freeze, or I'm leaving"
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