Stubbee
Religions Hate Facts, Questions and Doubts
+223|7046|Reality
FFS use your common sense. These people were hurrying to the hospital not Walmart. Write the ticket if you think he deserves it but dont be an ass. The good news, officer, is now you have had your 15 minutes of fame and life goes down hill from here.

EDIT for language


Last edited by Stubbee (2009-03-28 09:11:35)

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Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|6943|Your moms bedroom
cops dont have common sense, otherwise, they wouldnt be cops

I just got a parking ticket for winter parking ban in front of my house, there is no snow, and technically it is spring
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5888

So if he had crashed into another car and killed a bunch of people it would have been alright? Beside that he had a decent enough amount of time to stop before he got to the hospital to explain to the cop what was going on and the cop would have been cool with it.

Last edited by Macbeth (2009-03-28 09:06:17)

Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|6943|Your moms bedroom

Macbeth wrote:

So if he had crashed into another car and killed a bunch of people it would have been alright? Beside that he had a decent enough amount of time to stop before he got to the hospital to explain to the cop what was going on and the cop would have been cool with it.
He treated the red light like a yield sign, its not like he barreled through it with the horn blaring, and im sure this happens all the time just not with athletes and famous people. Not to mention someone pulled out the race card
ghettoperson
Member
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Macbeth wrote:

So if he had crashed into another car and killed a bunch of people it would have been alright? Beside that he had a decent enough amount of time to stop before he got to the hospital to explain to the cop what was going on and the cop would have been cool with it.
I'd like to think that had he pulled over and spoken to the cops they have escorted him to the hospital and let him jump lights. However, given the massive length of the videos ( I stopped watching after about 3mins) it probably wouldn't have been the case.
Stubbee
Religions Hate Facts, Questions and Doubts
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Macbeth wrote:

So if he had crashed into another car and killed a bunch of people it would have been alright? Beside that he had a decent enough amount of time to stop before he got to the hospital to explain to the cop what was going on and the cop would have been cool with it.
1. now you are being an ass because you didn't listen.
2. easy for to say when YOUR mother-in-law is not dying. do you think he knew how much time she had left?
The US economy is a giant Ponzi scheme. And 'to big to fail' is code speak for 'niahnahniahniahnah 99 percenters'
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
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Macbeth
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ghettoperson wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

So if he had crashed into another car and killed a bunch of people it would have been alright? Beside that he had a decent enough amount of time to stop before he got to the hospital to explain to the cop what was going on and the cop would have been cool with it.
I'd like to think that had he pulled over and spoken to the cops they have escorted him to the hospital and let him jump lights. However, given the massive length of the videos ( I stopped watching after about 3mins) it probably wouldn't have been the case.
Would have been a better idea then letting them follow him while speeding for about a minute. Might have actually turned out better for him to.

Stubbee wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

So if he had crashed into another car and killed a bunch of people it would have been alright? Beside that he had a decent enough amount of time to stop before he got to the hospital to explain to the cop what was going on and the cop would have been cool with it.
1. now you are being an ass because you didn't listen.
2. easy for to say when YOUR mother-in-law is not dying. do you think he knew how much time she had left?
1. i watched enough of it to know that when you a cop tells you to pull over, you don't continue driving.
2. Easy for you to say when you haven't lost a friend or family member to a speeding driver.

Last edited by Macbeth (2009-03-28 09:14:58)

S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6749|Chicago, IL
Im siding with the cop on this one, people lie all the time when they're caught speeding, unfortunate that he happened to be telling the truth, but there is really no way for the officer to know that.

as they say, prisons are full of "innocent" men.
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|6943|Your moms bedroom

S.Lythberg wrote:

Im siding with the cop on this one, people lie all the time when they're caught speeding, unfortunate that he happened to be telling the truth, but there is really no way for the officer to know that.

as they say, prisons are full of "innocent" men.
ya, except for the fact when he did stop he was at the hospital, and security guard comes out and says "she really is dying" the cop says, "im almost done here"
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6749|Chicago, IL

Locoloki wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

Im siding with the cop on this one, people lie all the time when they're caught speeding, unfortunate that he happened to be telling the truth, but there is really no way for the officer to know that.

as they say, prisons are full of "innocent" men.
ya, except for the fact when he did stop he was at the hospital, and security guard comes out and says "she really is dying" the cop says, "im almost done here"
the wife was already inside, and he does have to file an incident report
Macbeth
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Locoloki wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

Im siding with the cop on this one, people lie all the time when they're caught speeding, unfortunate that he happened to be telling the truth, but there is really no way for the officer to know that.

as they say, prisons are full of "innocent" men.
ya, except for the fact when he did stop he was at the hospital, and security guard comes out and says "she really is dying" the cop says, "im almost done here"
He still should have pulled over rather then keep driving. It's his own damn fault the cop even said "if you stopped and explained it to me I would have likely let you go".

I also think it's bullshit the cop might lose his job just because some NFL player thinks he is above the law and his family members are worth more then the other people on the road he could have killed.
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
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S.Lythberg wrote:

Locoloki wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

Im siding with the cop on this one, people lie all the time when they're caught speeding, unfortunate that he happened to be telling the truth, but there is really no way for the officer to know that.

as they say, prisons are full of "innocent" men.
ya, except for the fact when he did stop he was at the hospital, and security guard comes out and says "she really is dying" the cop says, "im almost done here"
the wife was already inside, and he does have to file an incident report
the wife was inside, after he pulled his gun on her

Article wrote:

DALLAS -- A police officer was placed on administrative leave Thursday over a traffic stop involving an NFL player whom he kept in a hospital parking lot and threatened to arrest while his mother-in-law died inside the building.

Officer Robert Powell also drew his gun during the March 18 incident involving Houston Texans running back Ryan Moats in the Dallas suburb of Plano, police said.




Moats

"I can screw you over," he said at one point in the videotaped incident. When another officer came with word that Moats' mother-in-law was indeed dying, Powell's response was: "All right. I'm almost done."

Dallas Police Chief David Kunkle apologized to the family and announced that Powell would be on paid leave pending an internal investigation.

"When we at the command staff reviewed the tape, we were embarrassed, disappointed," Kunkle said. "It's hard to find the right word and still be professional in my role as the police chief. But the behavior was not appropriate."

Powell, 25, a three-year member of the force, stopped Moats' SUV outside Baylor Regional Medical Center at Plano after Moats rolled through a red light.

Police officials said Powell told his commanders he believed he was doing his job, and that he drew his gun but did not point it. Kunkle said Powell was not necessarily acting improperly when he pulled his weapon out, but that once he realized what was happening should have put the gun back, apologized and offered to help the family in any way.

"His behavior, in my opinion, did not exhibit the common sense, the discretion, the compassion that we expect our officers to exhibit," Kunkle said.

Moats' wife, who was in the car along with other relatives, said Powell pointed his weapon at her.


Video: NFL player pulled over
On the Web site of the Dallas Morning News, video from a police dashboard camera shows a Dallas police officer stopping Texans running back Ryan Moats in front of the hospital where his mother-in-law lay dying of cancer. Watch 


"He was pointing a gun at me as soon as I got out of the car," Tamishia Moats told The Dallas Morning News.

Ryan Moats told KRLD-FM in Dallas in a phone interview Thursday that after the officer pointed the gun at his wife, he pointed it at him. "I just tried to stay as still as possible to not scare him or do anything to make him react," he said.

He earlier told the newspaper he thought Powell should be fired but backed off that in his radio interview.

"All I know is what he did was wrong," Moats said. "He stole a moment away from me that I can never get back. I'm really not the judge on what should happen to him."

The Moats family did not immediately return messages left by The Associated Press. Powell did not respond to requests for comment through the Dallas police union.

Video from a dashboard camera inside the officer's vehicle, obtained by Dallas-Fort Worth station WFAA-TV, revealed an intense exchange in which the officer threatened to jail Moats.

He ordered Tamishia Moats, 27, to get back in the SUV, but after pausing for a few seconds, she and another woman rushed into the hospital. She was by the side of her mother, 45-year-old Jonetta Collinsworth, when she died a short time later from breast cancer.

"Get in there," said Powell, yelling at Tamishia Moats as she exited the vehicle. "Let me see your hands!"

"Excuse me, my mom is dying," Tamishia Moats said. "Do you understand?"

Ryan Moats explained that he waited until there was no traffic before proceeding through the red light. When Powell asked for proof of insurance, Moats grew more agitated and told the officer to go find it.

"My mother-in-law is dying! Right now! You're wasting my time!" Moats yelled. "I don't understand why you can't understand that."

As they argued, the officer got irritated.

"Shut your mouth," the officer said. "You can either settle down and cooperate or I can just take you to jail for running a red light."

By the time the 26-year-old NFL player received a ticket and a lecture from Powell, about 13 minutes had passed. When he and Collinsworth's father entered the hospital, they learned Collinsworth was dead.

Earl Jackson, Collinsworth's father, said he knew what Powell was doing was wrong. "This guy, he wouldn't listen to nobody," Jackson said in an interview with Dallas-Fort Worth station KDFW-TV.

Moats said he wouldn't have had a problem with the officer giving him a ticket after letting him go into the hospital.

"I don't know what he was thinking," he told KRLD-FM. "Basically, I was just shocked. I was very shocked that he wasn't budging on it. I even said I can't believe that this was happening."

Kunkle said the video showed that Moats and his wife "exercised extraordinary patience, restraint in dealing with the behavior of our officer."

"At no time did Mr. Moats identify himself as an NFL football player or expect any kind of special consideration," Kunkle said. "He handled himself very, very well."

The Moats family, who are black, said they can't help but think that race might have played a part in the white officer's behavior.

"I think he should lose his job," Ryan Moats said.

When the exchange was at its most contentious, Powell said he could tow Moats' SUV if he didn't have insurance and that he could arrest him for fleeing because he didn't immediately stop when Powell turned on his sirens. The pursuit lasted a little more than a minute.

"I can screw you over," Powell said. "I'd rather not do that. Your attitude will dictate everything that happens."

The ticket issued to Moats was dismissed, Dallas police spokesman Lt. Andy Harvey said.

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S.Lythberg
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Locoloki wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

Locoloki wrote:


ya, except for the fact when he did stop he was at the hospital, and security guard comes out and says "she really is dying" the cop says, "im almost done here"
the wife was already inside, and he does have to file an incident report
the wife was inside, after he pulled his gun on her
ok

you're a cop, a car comes blazing past, you pull it over, and somebody takes off running...

without prior knowledge of the situation, what would you have done?
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5888

S.Lythberg wrote:

Locoloki wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:


the wife was already inside, and he does have to file an incident report
the wife was inside, after he pulled his gun on her
ok

you're a cop, a car comes blazing past, you pull it over, and somebody takes off running...

without prior knowledge of the situation, what would you have done?
Killed everyone. tbh
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6749|Chicago, IL

Macbeth wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

Locoloki wrote:


the wife was inside, after he pulled his gun on her
ok

you're a cop, a car comes blazing past, you pull it over, and somebody takes off running...

without prior knowledge of the situation, what would you have done?
Killed everyone. tbh
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Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
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S.Lythberg wrote:

Locoloki wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:


the wife was already inside, and he does have to file an incident report
the wife was inside, after he pulled his gun on her
ok

you're a cop, a car comes blazing past, you pull it over, and somebody takes off running...

without prior knowledge of the situation, what would you have done?
they stopped at a hospital not a crack house, issued the red light ticket wrote the report and mailed it to them, isnt that what traffic cameras do? btw he was pulled over for running a light, not speeding
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6749|Chicago, IL

Locoloki wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

Locoloki wrote:


the wife was inside, after he pulled his gun on her
ok

you're a cop, a car comes blazing past, you pull it over, and somebody takes off running...

without prior knowledge of the situation, what would you have done?
they stopped at a hospital not a crack house, issued the red light ticket wrote the report and mailed it to them, isnt that what traffic cameras do? btw he was pulled over for running a light, not speeding
I've seen people stop at police departments and take off, the location doesnt mean much, criminals dont think very far ahead.

my point is, the officer was doing exactly what we pay him to do, and if it had been anyone else, nobody would have even noticed.
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6297|Truthistan
Cop deserves tasering to the balls to anthestize area for prompt and traumatic castration.

Idiocracy at is worst, not one shred of decency or discretion. He shouldn't be allowed to pass those qualities on to another generation.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6408|eXtreme to the maX
Sorry, I'm with the plod on this one.
Wanting to see a relative just before they die doesn't give you the right to put other peoples lives at risk or break the law.
She had cancer, they had a little prior warning, if they were concerned they would be camped out at the hospital, not adding manufactured drama to their lives running red lights.
Fuck Israel
JahManRed
wank
+646|6931|IRELAND

Cop puts on his lights. You stop. You don't stop, you have just offended.
Plus if you want a quick turn around with the cops, you don't give them attitude. I do feel sorry for the guy tho. I would probably done the same. Only I wouldn't have interrupted the cop. Be quite, take the shit and its finished quick.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7064

Dilbert_X wrote:

Wanting to see a relative just before they die doesn't give you the right to put other peoples lives at risk or break the law.
She had cancer, they had a little prior warning, if they were concerned they would be camped out at the hospital, not adding manufactured drama to their lives running red lights.
right.  its not like this guy was rushing their to save her.  stupid internet outrage.  and wtf i agree with dogbert.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6998|NJ
the only reason this is news is because it's a Foot ball player
If it was you or I.. We'd have gotten nothing..

However I do agree that common sense should be used. The cop could have let him go then got him later..
kylef
Gone
+1,352|6796|N. Ireland
How was the officer to know that this person was running to his mother-in-law's deathbed exactly? If he starts his lights, you pull over.

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