Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6903|132 and Bush

Mekstizzle wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

I hate to be a pessimist, but if they don't find them within the next day I'd say without a miracle happening, it's pretty likely they're gone..
Nope, remember that story about those guys who managed to survive at sea in a tub for a month or so (this was very recently), how the fuck did they manage to do that
These guys are adrift in the water with nothbut their life vest now (according to the rescue boater). They calculated the water temp and how long it would take for them to go hypothermia and it was 40 hours..

Found the story. It's pretty interesting.

Nick Schuyler's nightmare began Saturday afternoon when his boat capsized in the Gulf of Mexico. For two days, he endured 14-foot seas, 30 mph wind gusts, water temperatures in the 60s and air temperatures that dropped into the lows 40s.

How did he survive?

Many factors, including body fat and clothing, determine someone's chance of survival in cold water, medical doctors and rescuers say. One factor, though, is the most vital.

"If you stay with the boat you have a better chance," said Scotty Hendricks, operations specialist for the U.S. Coast Guard in Jacksonville. "If you don't, chances go down by the hour."

Photographs of Monday's rescue show Schuyler sitting atop the capsized 21-foot boat. The former University of South Florida football player upped the odds of living through the ordeal by simply getting mostly out of the water, Tampa Fire Rescue Capt. Mark Bogush said.

"Once you take that 98.6-degree body and put it in 60-degree water, it starts sucking the warmth out of you," Bogush said.

Coast Guard officials say the water was 68 degrees when Schuyler was rescued.

At that temperature, a typical person submerged in water can expect to float two to seven hours before exhaustion or unconsciousness sets in, said Randy Boone, a former senior chief aviations survivalman with the Coast Guard.

Anything that insulates you from the cold — clothing, debris from the boat, body warmth from other boaters — also helps, Bogush said. In the Coast Guard photographs, Schuyler was seen wearing an orange raincoat or windbreaker and a lifejacket.

Shivers start when body temperatures dip about 3 degrees below normal, said Vernard Adams, chief medical examiner for the Hillsborough County Medical Examiner's Office. Reflexes no longer work under 81 degrees and respiration becomes labored. The heart can stop if body temperature falls below 80 degrees, Adams said.

A person's percentage of body fat also plays a role. Having less body fat actually works against you in cold water, Bogush said.

Boone said the odds of survival for the three other men who had been in the boat depend on whether they found a way to get out of the water. A hypothermia chart used by rescuers says the longest someone can last floating in 68-degree water is 40 hours.

Bogush said he is curious to hear Schuyler's account of how he survived.

"Hopefully we can hear three more stories," he said.
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Roc18
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Search got called off
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Roc18 wrote:

Search got called off
Yes @ 18:30 local time.
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Kmar
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+5,695|6903|132 and Bush

Follow up:
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/mar/27 … -breaking/
According to the report, the boaters were unable to free the anchor, which was caught on something 138 feet underwater in the Gulf of Mexico. Cooper lost his anchor one week earlier for the same reason – an inability to free it from the Gulf bottom, the report states. And Fish and Wildlife investigators speculated that perhaps he didn't want to lose another one.

Bleakley suggested they tie the anchor to the transom, at a back corner of the boat, to try and free it, the report states. Afterward, all four were at the helm as Cooper gunned the 200 horsepower engine to full capacity, a move that caused the boat to lurch to the left and capsize.

Investigator James Manson concluded that this move is what caused the tragedy. The boaters should not have tied the anchor to a transom eye-bracket at the back of the boat. And they should not have used the boat's 200 horsepower engine to try and free the anchor. When they did, the boaters did not leave enough slack in the rope, to compensate for the rough sea conditions that evening, and they essentially pulled the vessel into the Gulf of Mexico, causing everyone to go overboard.

All but Smith had been drinking, and Cooper had never taken a boater safety course, the report says. Anyone who takes a boater safety course is told never to anchor a vessel at the rear of a boat but rather at the bow, Manson said at a news conference in Tampa this afternoon.

Had Cooper lived, he would have been charged criminally because of how he reacted to the circumstances, Manson said.

If an anchor gets stuck, one tactic is to circle the boat to free it as it is tied to the bow, Manson said. Another tactic is to simply cut the line and replace the anchor later. "They would have been able to head right back in," Manson said.

It was also ill-advised to take a boat only 21-feet long 50 miles out in rough seas, Manson said. In his interview with Schuyler, Schuyler said it was turbulent as they headed out from the Seminole boat ramp in Clearwater, and Schuyler got sick on the way. The men were dressed for the weather, in sweatsuits and jackets, and one or two were wearing knit pullover scully hats.

After the boat capsized, at about 5:30 p.m., Bleakley then retrieved life vests from under the boat, plus a large cooler to be used for flotation. Bleakley used the cooler while the other three used the vests.

Manson said at the press conference Bleakley found some flares but they were soaked and useless. There was no VHF radio on board, Manson also said. There were cell phones that had been placed in plastic bags but efforts to retrieve them were unsuccessful, the report says.

The four struggled to stay on top of the boat's hull throughout the night, the report states. The next morning, at 5:30, it appeared Cooper was succumbing to hypothermia, and he became unresponsive. Schuyler said he and Bleakley tried to revive him but couldn't. Bleakley took Cooper's life vest.

An hour later, Smith appeared to succumb to hypothermia, the report states. Smith took his own life vest off and drifted away, the report states.

Bleakley managed to hang on for roughly another 24 hours, Schuyler told Manson in an interview in the intensive care unit at Tampa General Hospital. But then Bleakley showed the same symptoms the other two had and removed his life jacket.

Schuyler said he held onto Bleakley as Bleakley died. Then Bleakley drifted away from the boat. Within hours, the U.S. Coast Guard found Schuyler sitting on the hull holding the propeller, and he was rescued, 42 hours after the boat capsized.

The U.S. Coast Guard continued searching for the other three until the following evening, even though the 19-hour time period for surviving hypothermia had long expired.
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Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7069|UK
Bloody moronic. Do not anchor your boat in a storm, if you can't find shelter to anchor you don't and if you have already anchored but it gets stuck you cut it loose. Another incident caused by blatantly inexperienced sailors.

They weren't even wear life jackets in a storm...

Flares not kept in a water proof box...

The amount of fail is astonishing.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,983|6934|949

I was on a 21-foot Duffy boat last weekend in Newport Harbor.  I can't imagine taking a boat that size into open waters.  Seems like a death wish.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7069|UK
Wait lol i missed that... 50 miles out in a 21ft boat...

Sorry but this entire incident is a massive /facepalm
Kmar
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I'd be lying if I said I never did any of those things. I grew up on the water. Sometimes ppl just don't think.. the results can be tragic.
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Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6992|Tampa Bay Florida

Kmarion wrote:

I'd be lying if I said I never did any of those things. I grew up on the water. Sometimes ppl just don't think.. the results can be tragic.
To be a little fair, the Gulf of Mexcio is somewhat boring most of the time (at least compared to real oceans I mean).  And I think the storm that screwed them came out of nowhere.
wah1188
You orrible caaaaaaan't
+321|6762|UK
God Vilham you're a bit of a cunt.

A very tragic story that could of been easily avoided.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6749|Chicago, IL

Spearhead wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I'd be lying if I said I never did any of those things. I grew up on the water. Sometimes ppl just don't think.. the results can be tragic.
To be a little fair, the Gulf of Mexcio is somewhat boring most of the time (at least compared to real oceans I mean).  And I think the storm that screwed them came out of nowhere.
this, I've seen the gulf go from a glass surface to churning in a hour or so several times, those costal storms blow up fast
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7069|UK

wah1188 wrote:

God Vilham you're a bit of a cunt.

A very tragic story that could of been easily avoided.
How am I a cunt. The cunt is the guy that got 3 other people killed with his incompetence and that truly pisses me off.

And spearhead. Seriously? Its pretty much one of the largest gulfs in the world. Its very openly connected to the Atlantic and prone to hurricanes every single year, I would definately not take my chances if I was 50 miles out in that. When I go sailing I pretty much can't be more than 50 miles, the channel is not that wide at most points. I still know well enough that the sea isn't to be fucked with.

From what three of you have said and this incident I can see that sailing safety isn't taken very seriously in the states. Don't you have anything like the RYA that runs or is partnered with most marines and sailing establishments?

Last edited by Vilham (2009-03-28 08:24:46)

usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7064

Vilham wrote:

From what three of you have said and this incident I can see that sailing safety isn't taken very seriously in the states.
and thats a good indicator..... awesome data right there sir.
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|6942|Your moms bedroom

S.Lythberg wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I'd be lying if I said I never did any of those things. I grew up on the water. Sometimes ppl just don't think.. the results can be tragic.
To be a little fair, the Gulf of Mexcio is somewhat boring most of the time (at least compared to real oceans I mean).  And I think the storm that screwed them came out of nowhere.
this, I've seen the gulf go from a glass surface to churning in a hour or so several times, those costal storms blow up fast
I just spent the last month 150 miles south of New Orleans, It gets rough out there, and when the wind picks up It doesnt take long to get 8-10 ft waves
Vilham
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+580|7069|UK
Well when someone says they grew up on the water and they make these same mistakes, yeah it is. Marine, u blatantly can't answer my question either. So you can't actually show my assessment is wrong. So why post?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Vilham wrote:

Well when someone says they grew up on the water and they make these same mistakes, yeah it is. Marine, u blatantly can't answer my question either. So you can't actually show my assessment is wrong. So why post?
Some of those mistakes. I would never have went 50 miles offshore. That was there first and biggest mistake. Sailing is taken very seriously here. These situations make the news because they are out of the ordinary. We've got over 88,000 miles of coast that we work and play in. We have our coast guard that routinely checks and monitors water safety. That doesn't mean people still don't become complacent.
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ATG
Banned
+5,233|6831|Global Command

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I was on a 21-foot Duffy boat last weekend in Newport Harbor.  I can't imagine taking a boat that size into open waters.  Seems like a death wish.
I've sailed from Long Beach to Catalina many times in a sailboat about that size.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7064

Vilham wrote:

Well when someone says they grew up on the water and they make these same mistakes, yeah it is. Marine, u blatantly can't answer my question either. So you can't actually show my assessment is wrong. So why post?
yes sir HMS Vilham
Locoloki
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well, in case you all are taking note i will tell you what to do in this situation


your boat overturns in the mid of nowhere....same scenario

everyone has life jackets except for one. everyone with a life jacket surronds they person without one, and ties them together.

In this scenario, had the life jackets been tied together, 3 out of 4 would have survived.
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7018
it sucks all the way around...  If only they had Cap'n Vilham they would have been safe...lol... j/k
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6903|132 and Bush

Locoloki wrote:

well, in case you all are taking note i will tell you what to do in this situation


your boat overturns in the mid of nowhere....same scenario

everyone has life jackets except for one. everyone with a life jacket surronds they person without one, and ties them together.

In this scenario, had the life jackets been tied together, 3 out of 4 would have survived.
Not a single one of the drowned. The three that died succumbed to hypothermia. Their bodies completely shut down.
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san4
The Mas
+311|6991|NYC, a place to live

Kmarion wrote:

Locoloki wrote:

well, in case you all are taking note i will tell you what to do in this situation


your boat overturns in the mid of nowhere....same scenario

everyone has life jackets except for one. everyone with a life jacket surronds they person without one, and ties them together.

In this scenario, had the life jackets been tied together, 3 out of 4 would have survived.
Not a single one of the drowned. The three that died succumbed to hypothermia. Their bodies completely shut down.
The big group hug would have kept everyone warmer.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7069|UK

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

it sucks all the way around...  If only they had Cap'n Vilham they would have been safe...lol... j/k
more like if they had followed basic sailing competence they would have been safe.
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|6942|Your moms bedroom

san4 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Locoloki wrote:

well, in case you all are taking note i will tell you what to do in this situation


your boat overturns in the mid of nowhere....same scenario

everyone has life jackets except for one. everyone with a life jacket surronds they person without one, and ties them together.

In this scenario, had the life jackets been tied together, 3 out of 4 would have survived.
Not a single one of the drowned. The three that died succumbed to hypothermia. Their bodies completely shut down.
The big group hug would have kept everyone warmer.
yep

In Ocean Survival we took our jeans off and tied the ends in knots and and inflated them with air, shit fuckin worked

kinda like this, but with grown men, gayness ensued

http://surfguide.co.uk/wet-clothes/swim … ating.html

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