BF2S Forums Israeli Soldiers Testify To Gaza Abuses

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

usmarine wrote:

so thats a no.  got it.

No never been to israel ..  have you?

no.  which is why i dont say the "idf this and that" as fact.

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

But you say "Hamas this and hezbollah" that ?

i go by what they say and do.  you guys try and interpolate.

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

I haven't said that at all, any more than I've said every serving member of the SS was necessarily a murderer.

I have said the Israelis have a policy of seizing the Palestinians land and either exterminating them or terrorising them off it - they are more than half way there.
The IDF are tasked with this and occasionally evidence comes to light which proves it

Uh-huh. Despite that Israel gave back quite a bit of land, action only really takes place in Gaza (where the rockets come from) and not the West Bank and the vast majority of Palestinians are still alive.

So the Israelis:

A) Don't seem to be nicking much land lately.
B) Certainly aren't exactly exterminating them.
C) The IDF is doing its job as a Defence Force against incoming rocket attacks.

A) The israelis steal land every day, destroy houses and evict palestinians every day in the west bank.. They keep building settlements on palestinian lands every day, steal more land while building their wall and are in the process of stealing most of jerusalem from the palestinians with the new government...

i know they don't talk too much about it in your mainstream media but that doesnt mean it is not happening.

B) Agree

C) Most IDF soldiers think that the life of a palestinian is not worth anything compare to the life of an israeli..  it is a fact.. it is not their fault, they were raised like that. We don't need an investigation to realize that.  The OP show us that there is still human beings in the IDF.

If they were stealing land every single day, building settlements and booting Pals out every single day. The West Bank would have become part of Israel last week. Unless of course the West Bank suddenly became the size of Saudi Arabia.

yeah those shirts are getting a lot of attention -- thing is, is there really any evidence that soldiers actually bought those and wore them ?
Sounds like the official line is the army frowns on this sort of thing, and to believe that troops are running around wearing something like that, especially given the current climate of recrimination over Operation Cast Lead, is quite gullible.
 
And why are there phrases in english on the shirts ? Seems possible to me this is a stunt pulled by someone who wants to reinforce negative opinions of the IDF, to a ready-made western audience who are already yelling "human rights violations"

And btw, it's possible to be a "supporter" of Israel while at the same time understanding that they sometimes do bad things.

Braddock wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

usmarine wrote:

i go by what they say and do.  you guys try and interpolate.

I go by what they say and do too..  The OP is one of many exemple of excessive use of force by the IDF..  Lebanon war of 2006 is another exemple.. And i don't need an independant investigation to believe what an IDF soldier is telling when he speak about that topic.  Must take a lot of courage to speak out loud against your fellow sodiers.. why would he lie?

Like many Israel supporters in here, usmarine considers American and Israeli media to be the only truly objective source for Middle Eastern news while the likes of Reuters, BBC, Euronews, Haaretz and the UN are shamelessly biased when it comes to anything involving Israel. The only conclusive finale to this debate, as far as usmarine is concerned, will be an Israeli security services-led internal investigation... and one can guess how that might turn out.

On a sidenote, Israeli soldiers have been found to have questionable taste in T-shirts these days!

janes is british brad.

I am so sick of you talking out of your ass and drawing your own conclusions.  wake the fuck up.  i dont care about israel.  nor do i care about palestine.  i have no idea why you care so much either.


so, when you are done being wrong, pls reply back.

Last edited by usmarine (2009-03-23 15:45:03)

Macbeth wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

usmarine wrote:

yup.  your source is amazing.  i cant argue with that.

Thanks i appreciate it a lot. It is good to receive some positive comments from you..

years of nazi name calling can really hurt a guy..

I'm pretty sure any country's soldiers think their lives or their fellow citizens lives are more important then the lives of the people who are fighting them.

Would that be why medics in the field (and doctors in hospitals) give care based on severity, not which side they're on?

Macbeth wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

I'm pretty sure any country's soldiers think their lives or their fellow citizens lives are more important then the lives of the people who are fighting them.

Would that be why medics in the field (and doctors in hospitals) give care based on severity, not which side they're on?

Reread FEOS, I'm pretty sure every soldier cares more about what happens to little Jeniifer in Texas or their fellow soldiers more then what happens to Ali who was unlucky enough to be near by when a roadside bomb goes off.
It just means we care more for our own then others.

I don't need to reread. What I said is still just as applicable. But what you are referring to is the difference between how a soldier feels and how a soldier behaves. If little Jennifer had a superficial wound and Ali had a sucking chest wound (I know, all chest wounds suck), Ali would get treated first. Triage is irrespective of which side you're on.

Care can be behavioral or emotional...or both.