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2009-03-23 09:56:26
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6832|Global Command
So I guess in Schenectady New York you got an out of control police force; drunking driving, beating up people, etc.
The douchebags in charge are thinking of declaring martial law to allow federal troops to take over so a new police department can be established. Why not just do some hring and firing? Perhaps this is another example of testing outrage.



Schenectady's Corporation Counsel John Van Norden said, "If you abolish the police department you still have a need - not an obligation - but a need to police the community. You would need something in transition. Declaring martial law would be one way to bridge the gap."


MARTIAL LAW IN BALTIMORE?



Not afraid yet? The link below is a approved amendment to the Care Act http://www.opencongress.org/bill/1/111-h1388/show which, as far as I can tell, defines the restrictions on what the " Volunteers " can and cannot do.

Read this
2009-03-23 10:13:16
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6999|NJ

usmarine wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Is America the land of the FREE?
no.  go move to africa then.  enjoy your freedom there without government.
Oh fantastic an other America love it or leave person.. Just like all AMERICANS our for fathers have always fought to protect our freedoms, meanwhile you'll defend police tactics and oppression to the bitter end.. If you don't love and believe in what our ancestors died for, why don't you move to Africa?

Allowing Marshall law in our cities and towns is just a chess move to protecting Government interest. First it starts in real bad neighborhoods, then they'll show improvement and spread it everywhere. Next thing you know unless you have a workers permit, you'll not be allowed outside your house past 9.. Right now with the way that our economy is in, they're leveling a stronger police state to keep an uprising down..
2009-03-23 10:14:37
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7064

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Oh fantastic an other America love it or leave person..
i didnt say love it or leave it.  i said go enjoy your freedom in places with no real government then. (reading, try it) you can do whatever you please.  that should be awesome to you right?

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2009-03-23 10:16:01
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5888

I don't know where to stand on this really. Second video they are talking about putting high crime areas on lock down. Which seems smart and all but from there you could end up with the government taking more power. But at the same time less people will die. But you will lose some rights in the process.
Which is more important to me the lives of others or my own personal freedom? I have to think about that.
2009-03-23 10:19:17
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6999|NJ

usmarine wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Oh fantastic an other America love it or leave person..
i didnt say love it or leave it.  i said go enjoy your freedom in places with no real government then. (reading, try it) you can do whatever you please.  that should be awesome to you right?
Yeah as appose to standing and fighting for what countless men and women have died to protect?

So are you for this are against it?
2009-03-23 10:22:07
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7064

cpt.fass1 wrote:

usmarine wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Oh fantastic an other America love it or leave person..
i didnt say love it or leave it.  i said go enjoy your freedom in places with no real government then. (reading, try it) you can do whatever you please.  that should be awesome to you right?
Yeah as appose to standing and fighting for what countless men and women have died to protect?

So are you for this are against it?
its not my city so i dont care.  you all say you want big bad feds out of the state level stuff.  well here you go.  this is what you get.  here is your states rights.  enjoy.
2009-03-23 10:24:16
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6999|NJ
I'm for freedom over life.. When we start giving our freedom for "protection" what kind of life are we going to have. Taxing Cigs and Booze because it's harmfull to our bodies is not protecting me in the least. Telling me I can't park some where for more then two hours isn't protecting me. Telling me that an ammunition tax is going to lessen illegal shooting, just doesn't make sense(there criminals anyway why wouldn't they just steal the bullets).

I went to a gun store yesterday and for the first time in my life I considered buying myself a firearm. When those protecting us start to ask for too much, whose going to protect us from them?
2009-03-23 10:32:08
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6832|Global Command

usmarine wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

usmarine wrote:


i didnt say love it or leave it.  i said go enjoy your freedom in places with no real government then. (reading, try it) you can do whatever you please.  that should be awesome to you right?
Yeah as appose to standing and fighting for what countless men and women have died to protect?

So are you for this are against it?
its not my city so i dont care.  you all say you want big bad feds out of the state level stuff.  well here you go.  this is what you get.  here is your states rights.  enjoy.
Martial law. States rights.

jeez you are thick.
2009-03-23 10:32:16
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6999|NJ

usmarine wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

usmarine wrote:


i didnt say love it or leave it.  i said go enjoy your freedom in places with no real government then. (reading, try it) you can do whatever you please.  that should be awesome to you right?
Yeah as appose to standing and fighting for what countless men and women have died to protect?

So are you for this are against it?
its not my city so i dont care.  you all say you want big bad feds out of the state level stuff.  well here you go.  this is what you get.  here is your states rights.  enjoy.
So you joined the Marines to fight for AMERICA's freedoms and/or rights but now that it's boiling down to it.. You don't even care enough to voice an outrage..
2009-03-23 10:34:20
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7064

cpt.fass1 wrote:

usmarine wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Yeah as appose to standing and fighting for what countless men and women have died to protect?

So are you for this are against it?
its not my city so i dont care.  you all say you want big bad feds out of the state level stuff.  well here you go.  this is what you get.  here is your states rights.  enjoy.
So you joined the Marines to fight for AMERICA's freedoms and/or rights but now that it's boiling down to it.. You don't even care enough to voice an outrage..
what about my freedom to have safe streets?  to walk and park at night with little worries?  if people cant behave and self regulate, then so be it.  so you want to take away my freedom for yours?

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2009-03-23 10:41:44
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6832|Global Command
General warnings.

Debate the contents of the OP or just stfu.
2009-03-23 10:42:32
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6999|NJ

usmarine wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

usmarine wrote:


its not my city so i dont care.  you all say you want big bad feds out of the state level stuff.  well here you go.  this is what you get.  here is your states rights.  enjoy.
So you joined the Marines to fight for AMERICA's freedoms and/or rights but now that it's boiling down to it.. You don't even care enough to voice an outrage..
what about my freedom to have safe streets?  to walk and park at night with little worries?  if people cant behave and self regulate, then so be it.  so you want to take away my freedom for yours?
So if in order to do that you'd give up your right to walk the streets past 9? There are many motivators for crime and allot of them don't have to do with greed, some of them have to do with desperation. We're going to start seeing allot of desperation crimes soon, if things don't shape up. I've said it before we've damaged the private sector of this country for long enough while supporting the corporate and military portion of it.

It's the Ying Yang effect, when the crime rate goes down, whose going to pay to keep the police in force?
2009-03-23 10:42:54
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6297|Truthistan
"Those who would trade liberty for security soon have neither and deserve none." Benjamen Franklin

This is the problem when city administrators want the cops to go out enforce laws that have a revenue stream ie parking, traffic tickets.
instead of going after real public safety issues. Marshall law as a means to save a city money??? that's a joke. A better law would be to allow unconcealed carry at least that solution would be constitutional. Besides they don't need Marshall law to bring in additional state troopers or county police, but the city would have to pay for them and I think that's the rub. Tax money versus liberty. Looks like we know what side of the coin the city administrators are on.


PS cops caught drinking and driving or other crimes and their termination isn't automatic, wow, now there is your problem. Get drunk, give the citizenary a beat down and still keep your pension. Where's the specific deterrence against police abuses?
2009-03-23 10:43:35
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6999|NJ

ATG wrote:

General warnings.

Debate the contents of the OP or just stfu.
I think we are?
2009-03-23 10:44:20
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7064

Diesel_dyk wrote:

"Those who would trade liberty for security soon have neither and deserve none." Benjamen Franklin
says the man who owned slaves lulz
2009-03-23 10:44:23
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5888

cpt.fass1 wrote:

ATG wrote:

General warnings.

Debate the contents of the OP or just stfu.
I think we are?
He meant the exchange between me and marine, Marine didn't get my joke, ATG tried to avoid a flame war.
2009-03-23 10:48:03
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6999|NJ
Lets put it into this context.. You have a massive crime wave due to lack of jobs and/or money.. You hire a massive police force to battle the crime wave. The criminals all get locked up and/or swayed from commiting crime, and you have no more need for the huge police force..

How do you
a. Keep the cops employed?
b. lay or afford the cops?
2009-03-23 10:49:21
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5877|The Wild West
"Overused quote as fuel for an argument in a debate forum" -random founding father
2009-03-23 14:00:22
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

Man With No Name wrote:

"Overused quote as fuel for an argument in a debate forum" -random founding father
"Sound principle overlooked by too many people as basis for valid argument against fascist-leaning people" is more apt in my opinion.

What I don't get about this forum is that there seems to be more opposition to socialized medicine here than against having the government watch your movements or lockdown your city.

After it's all said and done, I'm starting to think ATG is right afterall.  There's way too much complacency in the face of Big Brother.
2009-03-23 14:10:07
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6593|Éire

Turquoise wrote:

Man With No Name wrote:

"Overused quote as fuel for an argument in a debate forum" -random founding father
"Sound principle overlooked by too many people as basis for valid argument against fascist-leaning people" is more apt in my opinion.

What I don't get about this forum is that there seems to be more opposition to socialized medicine here than against having the government watch your movements or lockdown your city.

After it's all said and done, I'm starting to think ATG is right afterall.  There's way too much complacency in the face of Big Brother.
You've raised a good point here, it is interesting how vehemently opposed many Americans are to things that Europeans would view as inherently positive (e.g. socialised medicine) and how blase they are towards things that Europeans would view as inherently sinister (e.g. big brother style policing as was seen in the days of the Stasi and the KGB).

Perhaps it is only because we have truly seen the sinister side of such things in our recent past while Americans haven't really, not on any significant scale at least. What do you reckon?
2009-03-23 14:22:07
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

Braddock wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Man With No Name wrote:

"Overused quote as fuel for an argument in a debate forum" -random founding father
"Sound principle overlooked by too many people as basis for valid argument against fascist-leaning people" is more apt in my opinion.

What I don't get about this forum is that there seems to be more opposition to socialized medicine here than against having the government watch your movements or lockdown your city.

After it's all said and done, I'm starting to think ATG is right afterall.  There's way too much complacency in the face of Big Brother.
You've raised a good point here, it is interesting how vehemently opposed many Americans are to things that Europeans would view as inherently positive (e.g. socialised medicine) and how blase they are towards things that Europeans would view as inherently sinister (e.g. big brother style policing as was seen in the days of the Stasi and the KGB).

Perhaps it is only because we have truly seen the sinister side of such things in our recent past while Americans haven't really, not on any significant scale at least. What do you reckon?
That's a good theory, although Britain apparently forgot those lessons with their camera prevalence.

It looks like Ireland still remembers though.
2009-03-23 15:48:09
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7064

Turquoise wrote:

It looks like Ireland still remembers though.
yes god forbid a pretty much all one race and one religion country get along.  wow.  what a shocker.
2009-03-23 15:59:51
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6297|Truthistan

Turquoise wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

"Sound principle overlooked by too many people as basis for valid argument against fascist-leaning people" is more apt in my opinion.

What I don't get about this forum is that there seems to be more opposition to socialized medicine here than against having the government watch your movements or lockdown your city.

After it's all said and done, I'm starting to think ATG is right afterall.  There's way too much complacency in the face of Big Brother.
You've raised a good point here, it is interesting how vehemently opposed many Americans are to things that Europeans would view as inherently positive (e.g. socialised medicine) and how blase they are towards things that Europeans would view as inherently sinister (e.g. big brother style policing as was seen in the days of the Stasi and the KGB).

Perhaps it is only because we have truly seen the sinister side of such things in our recent past while Americans haven't really, not on any significant scale at least. What do you reckon?
That's a good theory, although Britain apparently forgot those lessons with their camera prevalence.

It looks like Ireland still remembers though.
I think this story should have its own thread, but this thread has turned this way so I'll post it here

What do you guys think of this? Gun Fire Detection system

I'm no fan of big brother and video surveillance but to me this seems like a good use of technology. IMO Why limit the 2nd amendment, instead put in a detection system to alert police to gun fire in an area.

On the Benjamen Franklin equation where an increase in security can cause a decrease in liberty, does this type of system decrease liberty? I think its funny that people will cry up and down about infringing the second amendment but won't bat an eyelash at the idea that Marshall law might be declared in a US city or that other civil rights would be infringed. I say take the bill of rights as a whole, you can't pick and choose.
2009-03-23 16:02:19
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5888

Diesel_dyk wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Braddock wrote:

You've raised a good point here, it is interesting how vehemently opposed many Americans are to things that Europeans would view as inherently positive (e.g. socialised medicine) and how blase they are towards things that Europeans would view as inherently sinister (e.g. big brother style policing as was seen in the days of the Stasi and the KGB).

Perhaps it is only because we have truly seen the sinister side of such things in our recent past while Americans haven't really, not on any significant scale at least. What do you reckon?
That's a good theory, although Britain apparently forgot those lessons with their camera prevalence.

It looks like Ireland still remembers though.
I think this story should have its own thread, but this thread has turned this way so I'll post it here

What do you guys think of this? Gun Fire Detection system
I'm no fan of big brother and video surveillance but to me this seems like a good use of technology. IMO Why limit the 2nd amendment, instead put in a detection system to alert police to gun fire in an area.

On the Benjamen Franklin equation where an increase in security can cause a decrease in liberty, does this type of system decrease liberty? I think its funny that people will cry up and down about infringing the second amendment but won't bat an eyelash at the idea that Marshall law might be declared in a US city or that other civil rights would be infringed. I say take the bill of rights as a whole, you can't pick and choose.
Pretty cool you could detect gun fire after it's happened. All you have to do after that is time travel and you've just stopped gun crime.

Last edited by Macbeth (2009-03-23 16:07:25)

2009-03-23 16:06:35
usmarine
Banned
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Diesel_dyk wrote:

On the Benjamen Franklin equation where an increase in security can cause a decrease in liberty, does this type of system decrease liberty? I think its funny that people will cry up and down about infringing the second amendment but won't bat an eyelash at the idea that Marshall law might be declared in a US city or that other civil rights would be infringed. I say take the bill of rights as a whole, you can't pick and choose.
you have to evolve as a society, and that includes your laws.  its a fine balance sure, but you cant just go by what was said a couple hundred years ago. (women couldnt vote, slaves, the indians, etc)

just going blindly off the constitution and bill of rights is just like countries blindly following the koran.

 

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