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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090310/sc … 0310065039

COPENHAGEN (AFP) – Only months before make-or-break UN climate talks in Copenhagen, an extraordinary conclave of climate scientists gathering on Tuesday are expected to warn that global warming is accelerating more quickly than forecast by a key UN report for policymakers.

The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concluded in early 2007 that global warming, if unchecked, would unleash a devastating amalgam of floods, drought, disease and extreme weather by century's end.

But a welter of new research suggests the impact could be even worse, and will arrive sooner rather than later.

The shrinking of the Arctic ice cap, and the release of billions of tonnes of greenhouse gases trapped in melting permafrost are two such "positive feedbacks" that could become both cause and consequence of global warming.

The three-day conference is also likely to unveil a new scientific consensus that sea levels are set to rise at least a metre by 2100, more than double the IPCC estimate, which failed to take melt-off from the Greenland Ice Sheet into account.

"I and a lot of scientists see this meeting as an opportunity to update the science that has come out since the last IPCC report," said William Howard, a researcher from the University of Tasmania in Hobart, Australia.

Howard will present evidence showing for the first time that ocean acidification caused by climate change is stripping away the calcium-based shells of tiny organisms, called forams, that play a vital role in absorbing huge amounts of carbon pollution from the atmosphere.



are they right... should we dismiss one of the coldest winters on record...?   I thought the ice cap size was underestimated... by a piece of ice the size of california...?    Does anyone know if humans are ruining the earth?
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[TUF]Catbox wrote:

Howard will present evidence showing for the first time that ocean acidification caused by climate change is stripping away the calcium-based shells of tiny organisms, called forams, that play a vital role in absorbing huge amounts of carbon pollution from the atmosphere
That's really been some breakthrough scientific research. Apparently it would take thousands of years to return to the state the forams were once in before the 1900's.
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Global warmings a silly idea.

Climate change, now that's real.
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globe warmscientists
What...
Cheez
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

globe warmscientists
What...
Non-believer.
My state was founded by Batman. Your opinion is invalid.
Catbox
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

globe warmscientists
What...
I was limited to the amount of text in the OP... I might have coined a new phrase...
and i also hope that we dont pollute unnecessarily... just sick of the self righteous people that want to
jam it down your throat... lets work together... and stop polluting... not this contradictory scientist arguing crap...
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[TUF]Catbox wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

globe warmscientists
What...
I was limited to the amount of text in the OP... I might have coined a new phrase...
and i also hope that we dont pollute unnecessarily... just sick of the self righteous people that want to
jam it down your throat... lets work together... and stop polluting... not this contradictory scientist arguing crap...
Contradiction concerning climate change or global warming or whatever you like to call does not exist to the degree you think it is ... you have the scientists that does the research and make the reports on one side and you have the company bought "scientists" on the other side claiming this is just part of a natural cycle ...

If every man, woman and child do their little part in daily life and companies slowly in coop with the government do their part this will work out just swell ... the turn has already been set in motion by the people and solutions that will save us the huge cutbacks in polution are being researched as we speak ... the political work will take time but the awareness is improving ...
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Flecco
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Too late Varegg. We can limit it's impact in the future and stop some of the really crap stuff happening but from what I've read we are gonna get hit with a big stick by the climate soon enough.
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Turquoise
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Pretty much, Flecco....  the worst thing about all this is that, no matter what we do to limit our pollution, China, India, and the rest of the developing world will just continue to pollute at alarmingly rising rates.

In short, we're pretty fucked, but it is funny to see various corporations fight the concept of global warming as if that will somehow make everything better.
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Turquoise wrote:

China, India, and the rest of the developing world will just continue to pollute at alarmingly rising rates.
You mean 'at rates steadily approaching those of western countries'?
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FatherTed wrote:

Global warmings a silly idea.

Climate change, now that's real.
Global Warming is also the natural part of it, Enhanced Global Warming is all the man-added stuffs. That's if I remember my Geography right.
Turquoise
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

China, India, and the rest of the developing world will just continue to pollute at alarmingly rising rates.
You mean 'at rates steadily approaching those of western countries'?
Per capita, yes.  If I'm not mistaken, China already pollutes more than America in total.

My argument is this: even if we stopped polluting completely, it wouldn't make that much of a difference as the developing world rises in pollution.  China may eventually pollute the same amount we do per capita, and that will be a tremendous amount indeed.
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Turquoise wrote:

My argument is this: even if we stopped polluting completely, it wouldn't make that much of a difference as the developing world rises in pollution.
Which is still not an excuse to do nothing.
China may eventually pollute the same amount we do per capita, and that will be a tremendous amount indeed.
Equally its unlikely the total pollution produced by China will ever equal the total amount produced by western nations.
The oil is going to run out before then.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

My argument is this: even if we stopped polluting completely, it wouldn't make that much of a difference as the developing world rises in pollution.
Which is still not an excuse to do nothing.
China may eventually pollute the same amount we do per capita, and that will be a tremendous amount indeed.
Equally its unlikely the total pollution produced by China will ever equal the total amount produced by western nations.
The oil is going to run out before then.
Yeah but mighty China burns a crapload of poor-quality coal that gives off a boatload of stuff (technical terms galore).
Turquoise
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Which is still not an excuse to do nothing.
True.  I support limiting our pollution more, but I also believe we need to better prepare our low-lying areas for rising sea levels.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Equally its unlikely the total pollution produced by China will ever equal the total amount produced by western nations.
The oil is going to run out before then.
Not necessarily.  And even if that is true, the developing world as a whole will produce more pollution than the West in the very near future.  It's not just China that is industrializing quickly.  India is also a huge contributor to the world's pollution.
Flecco
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Reminds me of that Spooks episode where the 'Aftermath' document is discussed.

Sometimes I really do think plans like that should be on the table in the highest levels of government. Might be costly for everybody but maybe my great-grandchildren, if I managed to live long enough to have children, would live in a relatively peaceful world.
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FatherTed
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M.O.A.B wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

Global warmings a silly idea.

Climate change, now that's real.
Global Warming is also the natural part of it, Enhanced Global Warming is all the man-added stuffs. That's if I remember my Geography right.
Yeah pretty much. The climate does go through cycles of heating and cooling, quite obviously, but what's different is this latest cycle is progressing much faster than it should be, and i doubt that pouring shite into the atmosphere and oceans is helping.
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Mitch
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FatherTed wrote:

Global warmings a silly idea.

Climate change, now that's real.
Well said, assuming you meant its a natural thing that has nothing to do with man.

Global Warming is an excuse for creating carbon criminals so the gov can absorb more fucking money from innocent people.
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FatherTed
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Mitch wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

Global warmings a silly idea.

Climate change, now that's real.
Well said, assuming you meant its a natural thing that has nothing to do with man.

Global Warming is an excuse for creating carbon criminals so the gov can absorb more fucking money from innocent people.
No. Read the post above yours.
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Flecco
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FatherTed wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

Global warmings a silly idea.

Climate change, now that's real.
Global Warming is also the natural part of it, Enhanced Global Warming is all the man-added stuffs. That's if I remember my Geography right.
Yeah pretty much. The climate does go through cycles of heating and cooling, quite obviously, but what's different is this latest cycle is progressing much faster than it should be, and i doubt that pouring shite into the atmosphere and oceans is helping.
I have a book that says humanity is on par with a small volcano that started erupting during the Industrial Revolution....








And didn't stop. Actually that book was pretty good. Called 'The World Without Us'.

Very interesting read. Especially the detailed description of how long it takes a house to fall down without outside interference and how New York doesn't flood.
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I think this sums up my view on the whole thing quite well. From now on I let dead George Carlin do my thinking.
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I've just had a full day of geography and i'm shattered. Might unleash some choice stuff on this thread if it gets interesting.
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Pochsy
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FatherTed wrote:

I've just had a full day of geography and i'm shattered. Might unleash some choice stuff on this thread if it gets interesting.
I'm always up for being taught something new. Please do.
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Mitch
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Pochsy wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

I've just had a full day of geography and i'm shattered. Might unleash some choice stuff on this thread if it gets interesting.
I'm always up for being taught something new. Please do.
15 more years! 15 more years!

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