Diesel_dyk
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According to this news article the world oil suppliers are keeping oil off of the market by putting it into storage. They are even parking super oil tankers around the world in order to keep this oil off the market. 

The World is Awash in Oil

Recently the price of oil has been as low as $35 and is now around $47. Is this going to be a mini-oil bubble that is being created that will burst as soon as these companies decide to sell all this oil. Isn't this price fixing?

All I know is that if these idiots are able to create a new bubble in commodities, oil, gas, and industrial metals like copper etc you can kiss any economic recovery goodbye. It looks like these a$$holes are lining up to line their pockets with infrastructure stimulus money. They are going to drive short term commodity prices higher in order to drive the contracting prices that the govt is going to have to pay on infrastructure projects. This will do nothing by slow the economy even further and help to drive inflation which is already a real danger given all the money the Federal Reserve is printing.

Wall Street has learned nothing from the economic collapse and seems intent on destroying the country.

PS: I think that these companies should not be permitted to do this as there are real security concerns with storing oil in super tankers. You would think that parking super oil tankers full of oil, some hold 2 million barrels, would pose a real security threat given that these super tankers would be targets for terrorism. IMO

Last edited by Diesel_dyk (2009-03-09 21:43:16)

usmarine
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"as storage units on land have filled up"

how is this different than companies keeping stock in containers and trailers instead of in a warehouse?
Macbeth
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Put too much oil in the market price goes down>people buy more oil>get more reliant more oil>Shit we're running out of oil?!>Jack the prices up!>zomg the oil companies are hosing us again!
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KEN-JENNINGS
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usmarine wrote:

"as storage units on land have filled up"

how is this different than companies keeping stock in containers and trailers instead of in a warehouse?
It's different because a company theoretically loses money when their inventory is held and not moving because it devalues over time and ties up future income and the demand for that product may or may not be quantifiable.  Demand for oil is quantifiable and acknowledged as constant and increasing.  Intentionally decreasing supply as demand rises is obviously interfering with the market.  It is something oil producers and refiners have been doing since the inception of OPEC.
usmarine
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

usmarine wrote:

"as storage units on land have filled up"

how is this different than companies keeping stock in containers and trailers instead of in a warehouse?
It's different because a company theoretically loses money when their inventory is held and not moving because it devalues over time and ties up future income and the demand for that product may or may not be quantifiable.  Demand for oil is quantifiable and acknowledged as constant and increasing.  Intentionally decreasing supply as demand rises is obviously interfering with the market.  It is something oil producers and refiners have been doing since the inception of OPEC.
but if their storage units are full....what are they supposed to do with it?
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Diesel_dyk wrote:

PS: I think that these companies should not be permitted to do this as there are real security concerns with storing oil in super tankers. You would think that parking super oil tankers full of oil, some hold 2 million barrels, would pose a real security threat given that these super tankers would be targets for terrorism. IMO
So, the US does it also. There are huge stockpiles of oil to be used during a crisis. This practice has essentially raised prices by holding this stock away from the market in the same way these tankers are doing.
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KEN-JENNINGS
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Build bigger storage units?

Oil producers usually have an insane amount of money due to the amount of capital needed to produce and refine oil and their artificially inflated price gouging.  Holding their product could be worth more to them then selling it.  I'd imagine a cut in production will follow as well.
Diesel_dyk
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usmarine wrote:

"as storage units on land have filled up"

how is this different than companies keeping stock in containers and trailers instead of in a warehouse?
I guess that's the entire point right there.
If the land storage facilities are full, and companies are now resorting to renting tankers for storage because there is no place to off load, then why is the price of oil going up. Its obivious that there is a glut of oil but the price is being talked up. Its the old Wall Street game where what they are doing does not fit with reality. It looks to be the creation of a new bubble or an attempt to prop up the price of oil.

Plus tankers are the way oil is transported so the companies are decreasing the availablity of transport and that in time will also work to drive prices higher.
ATG
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usmarine wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

usmarine wrote:

"as storage units on land have filled up"

how is this different than companies keeping stock in containers and trailers instead of in a warehouse?
It's different because a company theoretically loses money when their inventory is held and not moving because it devalues over time and ties up future income and the demand for that product may or may not be quantifiable.  Demand for oil is quantifiable and acknowledged as constant and increasing.  Intentionally decreasing supply as demand rises is obviously interfering with the market.  It is something oil producers and refiners have been doing since the inception of OPEC.
but if their storage units are full....what are they supposed to do with it?
Let the market set the price.

Bush and his croonies like to cite supply and demand.

Here we have an obvious case of the guys with the supply blatantly attempting to manipulate those supplies.

Would not the economy improve if gas was a dollar a gallon?
usmarine
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ATG wrote:

Would not the economy improve if gas was a dollar a gallon?
ahhhh....

but dont forget the power of the green weenies
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Build bigger storage units?
Not in our backyard.  We haven't even build a new refinery in 33 years.  they're ugly.

Last edited by Reciprocity (2009-03-09 21:58:21)

usmarine
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Build bigger storage units?
hold on a second.  your state wanted to build a huge solar farm but is being held up in court because it might endanger some squirrels or something.  come on dude.  prolly not as easy as you make it sound.
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Diesel_dyk wrote:

usmarine wrote:

"as storage units on land have filled up"

how is this different than companies keeping stock in containers and trailers instead of in a warehouse?
I guess that's the entire point right there.
If the land storage facilities are full, and companies are now resorting to renting tankers for storage because there is no place to off load, then why is the price of oil going up. Its obivious that there is a glut of oil but the price is being talked up. Its the old Wall Street game where what they are doing does not fit with reality. It looks to be the creation of a new bubble or an attempt to prop up the price of oil.

Plus tankers are the way oil is transported so the companies are decreasing the availablity of transport and that in time will also work to drive prices higher.
There could also just be manufactured price hikes.  I buy oil futures for $50 then sell it to a proxy of myself for $55 then sell it again to a proxy for $60 and so on.

usmarine wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Build bigger storage units?
hold on a second.  your state wanted to build a huge solar farm but is being held up in court because it might endanger some squirrels or something.  come on dude.  prolly not as easy as you make it sound.
It's probably not, but they probably aren't planning on building storage facilities in California either.  Like I said, production would probably be cut as well.
ATG
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usmarine wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Build bigger storage units?
hold on a second.  your state wanted to build a huge solar farm but is being held up in court because it might endanger some squirrels or something.  come on dude.  prolly not as easy as you make it sound.
The mans got a point.
Diesel_dyk
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Diesel_dyk wrote:

usmarine wrote:

"as storage units on land have filled up"

how is this different than companies keeping stock in containers and trailers instead of in a warehouse?
I guess that's the entire point right there.
If the land storage facilities are full, and companies are now resorting to renting tankers for storage because there is no place to off load, then why is the price of oil going up. Its obivious that there is a glut of oil but the price is being talked up. Its the old Wall Street game where what they are doing does not fit with reality. It looks to be the creation of a new bubble or an attempt to prop up the price of oil.

Plus tankers are the way oil is transported so the companies are decreasing the availablity of transport and that in time will also work to drive prices higher.
There could also just be manufactured price hikes.  I buy oil futures for $50 then sell it to a proxy of myself for $55 then sell it again to a proxy for $60 and so on.
Agreed. That's electronic energy trading for you. The trading of paper oil. But looks like the real oil is out of the ground now and they don't want to put it in the market.

How low will oil go now if this glut hits the market? $17???

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