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Obama: US should reach out to Taliban moderates

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President Barack Obama says he hopes U.S. troops can identify moderate elements of the Taliban and move them toward reconciliation.

Asked in an interview with The New York Times if the United States is winning in Afghanistan, Obama said "no," while adding "our troops are doing an extraordinary job in a very difficult situation."

"But you've seen conditions deteriorate over the last couple of years. The Taliban is bolder than it was. I think ... in the southern regions of the country, you're seeing them attack in ways that we have not seen previously," Obama said in the interview, which was posted Saturday on the Times' Web site.

There may be opportunities to reach out to moderates in the Taliban, but the situation in Afghanistan is more complicated than the challenges the American military faced in Iraq, Obama said.

U.S. troops were able to persuade Sunni Muslim insurgents in Iraq to cooperate in some instances because they had been alienated by the tactics of al-Qaida terrorists.

Obama cautioned that Afghanistan is a less-governed region with a history of fierce independence among tribes, creating a tough set of circumstances for the United States to deal with.

The idea of cooperation with some in the Taliban has been talked about for many months by American military commanders including Gen. David Patraeus, head of U.S. Central Command.

"If you talk to Gen. Petraeus, I think he would argue that part of the success in Iraq involved reaching out to people that we would consider to be Islamic fundamentalists, but who were willing to work with us," said Obama.

"There may be some comparable opportunities in Afghanistan and the Pakistani region, but the situation in Afghanistan is, if anything, more complex," Obama added.

Last month, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said that Washington could accept a political agreement between the Afghan government and the Taliban if the insurgents will lay down their arms and accept the government's terms.

At the same time, Obama left open the possibility that U.S. operatives might capture terror suspects abroad without the cooperation of a country where they were found.

"There could be situations — and I emphasize 'could be' because we haven't made a determination yet — where, let's say that we have a well-known al-Qaida operative that doesn't surface very often, appears in a third country with whom we don't have an extradition relationship or would not be willing to prosecute, but we think is a very dangerous person," he said.

Obama added that the U.S. doesn't torture its suspects and noted in some cases those being held would have an opportunity to challenge their detention in federal courts.
Oh, for fucks sake!  This clown (Obama) has less of a clue about the middle east than Bush did.

Inexperienced, uninformed empty suit that gives good speech, for the f***ing LOSS.
Macbeth
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Never knew just talking to people could be a problem. There's nothing to be lost just trying to persuade people to your side. Also it'll create a general sense of paranoia among the Taliban if they think some of their members are negotiating with the U.S.
ghettoperson
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But he's a Muslim!
Lotta_Drool
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rdx-fx wrote:

Obama: US should reach out to Taliban moderates

article wrote:

President Barack Obama says he hopes U.S. troops can identify moderate elements of the Taliban and move them toward reconciliation.

Asked in an interview with The New York Times if the United States is winning in Afghanistan, Obama said "no," while adding "our troops are doing an extraordinary job in a very difficult situation."

"But you've seen conditions deteriorate over the last couple of years. The Taliban is bolder than it was. I think ... in the southern regions of the country, you're seeing them attack in ways that we have not seen previously," Obama said in the interview, which was posted Saturday on the Times' Web site.

There may be opportunities to reach out to moderates in the Taliban, but the situation in Afghanistan is more complicated than the challenges the American military faced in Iraq, Obama said.

U.S. troops were able to persuade Sunni Muslim insurgents in Iraq to cooperate in some instances because they had been alienated by the tactics of al-Qaida terrorists.

Obama cautioned that Afghanistan is a less-governed region with a history of fierce independence among tribes, creating a tough set of circumstances for the United States to deal with.

The idea of cooperation with some in the Taliban has been talked about for many months by American military commanders including Gen. David Patraeus, head of U.S. Central Command.

"If you talk to Gen. Petraeus, I think he would argue that part of the success in Iraq involved reaching out to people that we would consider to be Islamic fundamentalists, but who were willing to work with us," said Obama.

"There may be some comparable opportunities in Afghanistan and the Pakistani region, but the situation in Afghanistan is, if anything, more complex," Obama added.

Last month, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said that Washington could accept a political agreement between the Afghan government and the Taliban if the insurgents will lay down their arms and accept the government's terms.

At the same time, Obama left open the possibility that U.S. operatives might capture terror suspects abroad without the cooperation of a country where they were found.

"There could be situations — and I emphasize 'could be' because we haven't made a determination yet — where, let's say that we have a well-known al-Qaida operative that doesn't surface very often, appears in a third country with whom we don't have an extradition relationship or would not be willing to prosecute, but we think is a very dangerous person," he said.

Obama added that the U.S. doesn't torture its suspects and noted in some cases those being held would have an opportunity to challenge their detention in federal courts.
Oh, for fucks sake!  This clown (Obama) has less of a clue about the middle east than Bush did.

Inexperienced, uninformed empty suit that gives good speech, for the f***ing LOSS.
Yes We Can!

He IS the face of Liberalism.  His fail is epic by even American standards.
Lotta_Drool
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ghettoperson wrote:

But he's a Muslim!
Half Muslim.
Reciprocity
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this strategy has been discussed long before obama took office. we've been paying off insurgents in iraq, how is this different?
Macbeth
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Reciprocity wrote:

this strategy has been discussed long before obama took office. we've been paying off insurgents in iraq, how is this different?
Obama's doing it.
usmarine
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Reciprocity wrote:

this strategy has been discussed long before obama took office. we've been paying off insurgents in iraq, how is this different?
not exactly
SgtHeihn
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I am so glad I have gotten out of the military. This is like a fucking slap.
AussieReaper
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Didn't they used to reach out to moderate Taliban tribal leaders with bribes?
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Buying insurgents, giving the radicalized Sunni a monetary reason to not take jobs from Al Quaeda, sowing division & paranoia amongst our enemies .. is one thing.

Legitimizing the Taliban by having "talks" with them - is insane.  They are not interested in "talks", they are interested in brutally interpreted Sharia Law and seeing what kind of concessions their tactics can force the West into.

They will not go into this seeing us as 'respected equals', they will go into this seeing us as the victim begging for a temporary reprieve.

And it's not a case of "oh, they're all evil mooslims!". No.  They come in at least as many different shapes, sizes, and variations as the Americans & Europeans combined.


"moderate Taliban" my fuzzy little ass... like ordering a "small super-sized" meal at McDonalds.. or a "mildly terminal" case of cancer.
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AussieReaper wrote:

Didn't they used to reach out to moderate Taliban tribal leaders with bribes?
The tribal leaders, in the non-urban areas, are tribal leaders.  They have their own traditions, values, and morality.  They understand how to balance the whole power & politics games, and when to deal with whichever side gives them the most advantage - but they are on nobody's side but their tribes.  Temporary allies, if you are going in the same direction they are, but.. nothing you can forge a true alliance out of for very long.
They aren't Taliban.  They're Tribal.

As a counterpoint,
I'd still trust an Afghani tribal leader's word, long before I'd trust a Pakistani Army officer with a pile of signed paperwork as high as his ass.
(Thankfully, I've had to do neither.)
Macbeth
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So rdx-fx, Obama do anything good so far?
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Macbeth wrote:

So rdx-fx, Obama do anything good so far?
He gives a good speech, he speaks with confidence and authority, and he doesn't mangle the English language too badly.
On this, he's an improvement over Bush Jr.
But, he still isn't at the level of Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan.

For intelligence and education on foreign affairs, he's worse than Bush Jr.
Turquoise
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Reciprocity wrote:

this strategy has been discussed long before obama took office. we've been paying off insurgents in iraq, how is this different?
Pretty much.

Negotiations will probably end up being our final move in Afghanistan, unless we plan on invading Pakistan.

People just need to chill out some and see if this stuff actually works rather than jump the gun and assume everything Obama does is wrong.
13rin
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Turquoise wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

this strategy has been discussed long before obama took office. we've been paying off insurgents in iraq, how is this different?
Pretty much.

Negotiations will probably end up being our final move in Afghanistan, unless we plan on invading Pakistan.

People just need to chill out some and see if this stuff actually works rather than jump the gun and assume everything Obama does is wrong.
Hell at least we know what he's doing (probably the exact opposite of whatever he's saying).  This reminds me of his transparent government claim but 'secret letter' to Russia giving up the missile shield?  Ugh.  I need to get back to work so I can help foot the bill of $900 million to help rebuild Gaza.
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Turquoise
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

this strategy has been discussed long before obama took office. we've been paying off insurgents in iraq, how is this different?
Pretty much.

Negotiations will probably end up being our final move in Afghanistan, unless we plan on invading Pakistan.

People just need to chill out some and see if this stuff actually works rather than jump the gun and assume everything Obama does is wrong.
Hell at least we know what he's doing (probably the exact opposite of whatever he's saying).  This reminds me of his transparent government claim but 'secret letter' to Russia giving up the missile shield?  Ugh.  I need to get back to work so I can help foot the bill of $900 million to help rebuild Gaza.
I didn't exactly believe in the claims of more transparent government either, but...  Obama is certainly more of a realist than Bush was.  I still disagree with much of what Obama is doing, but when it comes to this situation...  well, conventional warfare just isn't cutting it.
13rin
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Turquoise wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Pretty much.

Negotiations will probably end up being our final move in Afghanistan, unless we plan on invading Pakistan.

People just need to chill out some and see if this stuff actually works rather than jump the gun and assume everything Obama does is wrong.
Hell at least we know what he's doing (probably the exact opposite of whatever he's saying).  This reminds me of his transparent government claim but 'secret letter' to Russia giving up the missile shield?  Ugh.  I need to get back to work so I can help foot the bill of $900 million to help rebuild Gaza.
I didn't exactly believe in the claims of more transparent government either, but...  Obama is certainly more of a realist than Bush was.  I still disagree with much of what Obama is doing, but when it comes to this situation...  well, conventional warfare just isn't cutting it.
I think it is.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Flecco
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Eh? Why negotiate? We are doing alright in Oruzgan last I checked.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Spark
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:


Hell at least we know what he's doing (probably the exact opposite of whatever he's saying).  This reminds me of his transparent government claim but 'secret letter' to Russia giving up the missile shield?  Ugh.  I need to get back to work so I can help foot the bill of $900 million to help rebuild Gaza.
I didn't exactly believe in the claims of more transparent government either, but...  Obama is certainly more of a realist than Bush was.  I still disagree with much of what Obama is doing, but when it comes to this situation...  well, conventional warfare just isn't cutting it.
I think it is.
Based on?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Dilbert_X
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If the Taliban had been prepared to help find Bin Laden the last US govt would have been happy to work with them.
And they would still be running Afghanistan, Sharia law or not.
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FEOS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

If the Taliban had been prepared to help find Bin Laden the last US govt would have been happy to work with them.
And they would still be running Afghanistan, Sharia law or not.
^ this.

My God that hurt.

Turq wrote:

Obama is certainly more of a realist than Bush was.
Obama is a realist when it comes to foreign policy, but an idealist when it comes to domestic policy. I'd rather he were a realist on both issues.
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M.O.A.B
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This sounds like it could come back to bite in the ass. These guys could play changed simply to get closer to our guys to attack.
S.Lythberg
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Moderate Taliban?  Isn't that an oxymoron?

Speaking of morons, Afghanistan is a whole country full of them, negotiations will get you nowhere.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
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S.Lythberg wrote:

Moderate Taliban?  Isn't that an oxymoron?

Speaking of morons, Afghanistan is a whole country full of them, negotiations will get you nowhere.
Smoooooth.

Massoud was a moron then?
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

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