| Yes | 58% | 58% - 25 | ||||
| No | 39% | 39% - 17 | ||||
| I disagree with the demonstration, but yes | 2% | 2% - 1 | ||||
| Total: 43 | ||||||
Would you agree the professor is using the police to intimidate the student over his views? If so that's Fascism.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
I voted yes but now that I think about it, I'm leaning more toward no. The teacher is a bitch but it's not like they seized his guns or stopped his presentation. He should push to have guns be allowed on campus, that would REALLY piss off his teacher.
I don't know if she has malicious intent or if she's just a dumb gun-hater who thinks that because someone supports gun freedom or knows about guns, he's the next Cho Seung-huiHarmor wrote:
Would you agree the professor is using the police to intimidate the student over his views? If so that's Fascism.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
I voted yes but now that I think about it, I'm leaning more toward no. The teacher is a bitch but it's not like they seized his guns or stopped his presentation. He should push to have guns be allowed on campus, that would REALLY piss off his teacher.
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As well as on almost all private universities too.deeznutz1245 wrote:
This is America. We have Campus Police on our state funded universities.oug wrote:
A few things I don't get:
On that note, wtf is the police doing within the campus in the first place? Hasn't anyone ever heard about freedom of speech? Especially within the campus! Around here the police are not allowed within the limits of the various universities to ensure exactly that. Freedom of speech.
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So the presence of police is a violation of free speech? You're off your rocker.oug wrote:
On that note, wtf is the police doing within the campus in the first place? Hasn't anyone ever heard about freedom of speech? Especially within the campus! Around here the police are not allowed within the limits of the various universities to ensure exactly that. Freedom of speech.
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How?mcgid1 wrote:
As for what happened, he probably has grounds for a law suit under either freedom of speech or freedom from unwarranted search and seizure, though it might be difficult to prove either.
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How were his civil rights violated? He wasn't arrested, he wasn't stopped doing his speech and he wasn't kicked out of uni.deeznutz1245 wrote:
His civil rights were violated for one. He has the right to congregate on state property peacefully and civily which is what appeared to be the case. I have a fishy feeling if students were protesting the war in Iraq peacefully and were disbursed and arrested law suit papers would have already been filed.ghettoperson wrote:
Well what really happened? The professor didn't like his topic for whatever reason, the police gave him a hard time about it. So apart from feeling a little sad what's he really lost? As I said, it's ridiculous that it happened, but that's not ground for a lawsuit.deeznutz1245 wrote:
I am certainly not a proponent of "hurt Feelings" law suits but elaborate please.
I would be wary of anyone who believes that police can protect them at all times and doesn't feel that having a form of personal protection should be allowed.pndragon26 wrote:
Wow,
Talk about knee jerk reaction. Is this the new Obama America? People think his rights were violated? That it is fascist?
Lets see... Communication 140, 100 series usually denotes a freshmen or at least lower level class so he "could" be fresh out of high school. His belief is that turning the Va. Tech campus into a gunfight at the OK corral would have ended the shooting earlier, not safer?... but earlier... oh, okay... no quotes from his speech. What was the speech like? What did he say? How serious was he about this farce?
The police did not arrest him but asked him to come down... then legally went thru a list of his registered guns and asked about the were abouts of them. What is illegal about that?
Bottom line, I think the speech and oral presentation should be heard before you "fire the professor" or get all over her. She already passed here college exams and has a career, along with at least some experience. Something he said in that speech caused her to inform the police. They handled it correctly.
I would be wary of anyone who seriously believes arming college students with weapons is a good idea. I would have called the police too. And by the way I am a republican, I hate guns and while in college I was shot at by two drunk National Guardsmen, on campus. Who I disarmed (with no gun) as the police drove up. Any idiot can pull a trigger, it takes no talent. Hitting something -you mean to- does. No way would more guns have helped the situation. You have to be a moron to think that.
...which is a lot different then sueing someone on erroneous grounds...Turquoise wrote:
I would be wary of anyone who believes that police can protect them at all times and doesn't feel that having a form of personal protection should be allowed.
I would also be wary of anyone who believes that gun control works well against psychopaths.
The only reason I support the suing is so that the professor can go through the same harassment she put the student through.Pug wrote:
...which is a lot different then sueing someone on erroneous grounds...Turquoise wrote:
I would be wary of anyone who believes that police can protect them at all times and doesn't feel that having a form of personal protection should be allowed.
I would also be wary of anyone who believes that gun control works well against psychopaths.
agree w/ you btw
If he was called in by the Campus Cops at all, it became a serious issue. I would not call it 'fascism,' but the teacher, the cops, and (if a lack of condemnation by the administration suggests a quiet approval) the college itself is 'in error.' I will not call it a violation of his civil rights, because I have always maintained that only a government can violate your rights. However, that is even an 'iffy' thing for me, because the college is a type of government for those living on campus.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yeah she probably overreacted. It sounds like the kid is blowing this up way more than it should be though.
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Jason Bowman would feel safer walking to his night classes at Tarrant County College if he had his concealed handgun.
But he leaves it behind because state law doesn’t let him carry it on campus.
The 23-year-old Benbrook man is among those hoping that will change soon, as state lawmakers consider the issue.
"I applaud campus police, but there is absolutely no way they can be all places at all times," said Bowman, a paramedic and firefighter. "Please don’t make me prove that I will stand up and fight an armed man without my weapon if [there is] danger. At least give me my gun, too."
The expansion of the concealed-carry law is just one of several firearm proposals ricocheting around the Texas Capitol, drawing fire from gun safety advocates.
Among the bills this year are efforts to let Texans buy rifles and shotguns in noncontiguous states; allow counties to regulate noise, which could affect shooting ranges; and let employees with concealed-handgun permits leave their guns in their locked cars at work.
Even as some proposals seem to be gaining support, one hot gun topic — letting Texans openly carry handguns — seems to be losing steam, as supporters fear they won’t find a lawmaker to carry the bill.
"It’s not over yet," said Mike Stollenwerk, a co-founder of the OpenCarry.org nationwide effort. Other measures could let Texas hunters be charged with animal cruelty and have to defend their actions in court, and even allow "physically disabled people" to use lasers to help them hunt, expanding on the 2007 law that allowed blind hunters to use lasers.
"It’s just like they are trying to fix a problem that doesn’t exist," said Marsha McCartney, president of the North Texas Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "That’s the usual case with gun laws."
Carrying on campus
Last week, Sen. Jeff Wentworth, R-San Antonio, and Rep. Joe Driver, R-Garland, filed bills to let students licensed to carry concealed handguns take their weapons on campus.
Jason Woods, a graduate student at the University of Texas at Austin, opposes the bill and wrote a resolution — passed by UT’s student government — that supports the current handgun ban at Texas colleges.
Two years ago, Woods was a Virginia Tech student who lost his girlfriend in the mass shooting that killed 32 people. He thinks allowing guns on campus will create more danger, even boost suicide rates.
"A campus is a really safe place right now," said Woods, 24, who is studying molecular biology. "School shootings in general are low-probability events. . . . Any change that would allow more guns on campus would create more potential for things to go wrong."
Wentworth said he wants to make Texas schools safe. "I have no desire to wake up one morning and read in the newspaper . . . that 32 Texas college students were gunned down like sitting ducks by some deranged gunman, as happened at Virginia Tech, due to a state law in Texas that makes college kids defenseless," Wentworth said.
Tom McEnroe, a University of Texas at Arlington senior and member of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, believes that Wentworth is doing the right thing.
"With a college campus that is a gun-free zone, the only people that will have a firearm are criminals," said McEnroe, 22. "A person with a [concealed-handgun license] can carry in a movie theater, mall, shopping, but there is an imaginary boundary at a school."
