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CIA = non public info.  thats they way it SHOULD be imo.

so ramm, to answer your question...


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This isn't bad, and is to be expected.

I still remember hearing about people with childhood Russian penpals, whose letters would arrive half-blacked out.

SgtHeihn wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Actually, they've already covered that. The judge's ruling was specific to Gitmo. The tapes erased did not pertain to Gitmo.

That's what I'm getting at though - we just take the CIA's word that the tapes erased didn't cover Gitmo?  There is a lack of transparency, which should be addressed.

Thats the thing Ken, we can't just be giving access to CIA file to just anyone. They erased the tapes because if they would have been leaked out Agents live would have been at stake. Sometimes you just have to live with it.

We also have intelligence oversight committees for this very thing.  It's not up to the CIA to police itself.  We set up committees through legislation like FISA so that these agencies aren't allowed to police themselves.  There is virtually no transparency.  Until there is, questions will be asked and stories like these will upset people.  It's not like Intelligence Oversight Committees routinely leak classified information (unlike some people).

everyone realizes they are debating with a guy who hates anything to do with the US... lol
We are happy with our CIA... thanks for you concern...

usmarine wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

There is a lack of transparency, which should be addressed.

you want transparency for a spy agency?

man there really is something in the air or water in kalifornia

Yeah it's not like the FISA was passed for any other reason than crazy Californians.

Poseidon wrote:

rammunition wrote:

O, the american extremists sympathizers have arrived and are trying to pavoid the question/change the answer/blame someone else.

whats new then

Which is precisely what you're doing.

Ignoring the fact that your own country does it and then placing the blame elsewhere.

And then when someone calls you out for it, you say "stick to the topic" or some other nonsensical bullshit.

You're a reeeeeeeeeeally bad troll. I mean shit, you don't even get people pissed off at you. People just laugh at you, and nobody takes you seriously. Talk to Uzique, he could give you some tips. He's been pretty successful.

He's not ignoring the fact that the government of his country does it as well. What you seem to be ignoring is the fact that a bad deed done by a multitude of people is still a bad deed, and complaining about a bad deed is not any less valid because the bad deed is done elsewhere, too.

There are plenty of sensible arguments for why many of the things that rammunition posts are insane, but this is absolutely not one of them.

usmarine wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

There is a lack of transparency, which should be addressed.

you want transparency for a spy agency?

man there really is something in the air or water in kalifornia

I think he wants legal transparency for any government organisation. Is the concept of government accountability really contrary to your political views?

Last edited by mikkel (2009-03-02 16:26:22)

mikkel wrote:

mikkel wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Which is precisely what you're doing.

Ignoring the fact that your own country does it and then placing the blame elsewhere.

And then when someone calls you out for it, you say "stick to the topic" or some other nonsensical bullshit.

You're a reeeeeeeeeeally bad troll. I mean shit, you don't even get people pissed off at you. People just laugh at you, and nobody takes you seriously. Talk to Uzique, he could give you some tips. He's been pretty successful.

He's not ignoring the fact that the government of his country does it as well. What you seem to be ignoring is the fact that a bad deed done by a multitude of people is still a bad deed, and complaining about a bad deed is not any less valid because the bad deed is done elsewhere, too.

There are plenty of sensible arguments for why many of the things that rammunition posts are insane, but this is absolutely not one of them.

rammunition wrote:

O, the american extremists sympathizers have arrived and are trying to avoid the question/change the answer/blame someone else.

whats new then

If you knew anything about his post history, you'd know it's EXACTLY what he does. He posts either 1) very selective incidents that happened within the US military and then goes on to generalize every American on the actions of those few, ignoring the fact that many selective incidents just like what he posted have happened with British troops in Iraq as well or 2) Posts something like this whilst ignoring what his own country's equivilent does which is either the same thing or very similar.

I don't really care if it's bad (I mean, I DO, but it's not the point I'm trying to express) or not, acknowledge that your own country and most of the world is similar and has done the "bad deed" as well before bashing America for doing it. But if he did that, he wouldn't really have grounds for a thread. Because he's a TROLL.

It's a huge case of the pot calling the kettle black. And you think that's okay?

usmarine wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

usmarine wrote:

you want transparency for a spy agency?

man there really is something in the air or water in kalifornia

Yeah it's not like the FISA was passed for any other reason than crazy Californians.

so then what are you complaining about?  that not enough for you?  you want a tour with an all access pass?

Dude, read the article and all the responses in the thread - the CIA destroyed the tapes.  No independant oversight group evaluated the tapes.  The CIA made the tapes then destroyed them and said they weren't relevant.

Would you like me to create a finger painting so you can understand better, or would you like to read all the posts instead of picking out posts and typing nonsense that's already been covered?  Drop a line and troll another thread pl0x.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2009-03-02 16:38:24)

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

No independant oversight group evaluated the tapes.

finger yourself tbh.

and lol at that statement.  i find that retarded at best.  friggin politicize it with bureaucrats.  what a great idea.

usmarine wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I see where mikkel is coming from, but Marine is correct...

fixed because it hurts for you to say it

just a tad arrogant, eh?

I think Ken makes a good point here actually.  Oversight is also an important part of dealing with things like terror as well.

I just don't believe in publicly disclosing the contents of these investigations to the public, which apparently rammunition expects.

So which would we all rather have? An agency that could do whatever it wants with no oversight or a agency that's ability to do it job is more difficult.

usmarine wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Oversight is also an important part of dealing with things like terror as well.

how?  show me where that worked please.

I can show you where no oversight worked.....afghanistan in the early to mid 80's.

I can also show you where oversight failed...9/11.

COINTELPRO is a good example as Ken showed, and so is MKULTRA.

usmarine wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

No independant oversight group evaluated the tapes.

finger yourself tbh.

and lol at that statement.  i find that retarded at best.  friggin politicize it with bureaucrats.  what a great idea.

better idea: let the CIA roam free, I'm sure they got some genetic code going that doesn't allow them to abuse power

all those secrets are for your own good anyway! lol