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2009-02-20 04:23:13
Spark
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I'm more concerned with the numerous nukes the Russkies have supposedly lost in the last 20 years.  The US resumed building nukes some time ago in violation of the NPT, so it's not like we can use that card against them.  The moment any facility that could further enrich their uranium gets built Israel will blow it up and the US will pressure Iran into not doing anything.
Are we replacing or just building up? It seems kinda stupid considering this:
The United States responds to criticism of its disarmament record by pointing out that since the end of the Cold War it has eliminated over 13,000 nuclear weapons and eliminated over 80% of its deployed strategic warheads and 90% of non-strategic warheads deployed to NATO, in the processing eliminating whole categories of warheads and delivery systems and reducing its reliance on nuclear weapons. U.S. officials have also pointed out the United States' ongoing -- and, throughout 2007, sharply accelerating -- work to dismantle nuclear warheads. When current accelerated dismantlement efforts ordered by President George W. Bush have been completed, the U.S. arsenal will be less than a quarter of its size at the end of the Cold War, and smaller than it has been at any point since the Eisenhower administration, well before the drafting of the NPT. The United States has also purchased many thousands of weapons' worth of uranium formerly in Soviet nuclear weapons for conversion into reactor fuel.
We are replacing old-school, giant blow-em outta the water-style nukes with smaller "tactical nukes", whatever that phrase means.  It is ridiculous, and it really paints the US in a bad light internationally.  How are we supposed to reduce the levels of nukes across the board if the US government shows a wanton disregard for an international treaty that it helped push forward?  It's another case of the US government showing that it will agree to international mandates on a piecemeal basis, only if and when we see fit.  There is a trend regarding that fact and it transcends administrations and party lines.  It is kind of depressing really.
To be honest I would have prefered countries like the US to have 1000 big nukes rather than 500 little ones... at least no-one has any misconceptions about the 'tactical' nature (sigh) of a 500kT cruise missile/ICBM.
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2009-02-20 15:13:09
Turquoise
O Canada
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Iran isn't a problem compared to Pakistan.
2009-02-20 15:24:21
rdx-fx
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Turquoise wrote:

Iran isn't a problem compared to Pakistan.
I'm highly curious how long the major players are going to pretend nothing is amiss there.
2009-02-20 15:32:20
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina
Well, one thing's for sure.

If the leader of Pakistan said some threatening things toward Israel, we'd probably invade them.

I honestly think Israel's beef with Iran is most of the reason why we don't like Iran.  We just dress it up in terms of nuke research.

With Pakistan, we're slowly seeing our alliance fall apart, since the Pakistani government is less stable than Tom Cruise.
2009-02-21 03:39:27
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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If such a quantity were further enriched it could produce more than 20kg of fissile material – enough for a bomb.
Wow amazing, if Australia dug up all its uranium and enriched it to low enriched uranium, then enriched that to highly enriched uranium we'd have enough for like 1,000s of bombs
Fuck Israel
2009-02-21 08:12:13
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

Dilbert_X wrote:

If such a quantity were further enriched it could produce more than 20kg of fissile material – enough for a bomb.
Wow amazing, if Australia dug up all its uranium and enriched it to low enriched uranium, then enriched that to highly enriched uranium we'd have enough for like 1,000s of bombs
Canada also has a massive supply of uranium.

The funny thing is...  Both Canada and Australia don't have nuclear weapons, yet they have the world's 2 largest supplies of uranium.
2009-02-21 08:39:26
FatherTed
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+3,936|6803|so randum

Turquoise wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

If such a quantity were further enriched it could produce more than 20kg of fissile material – enough for a bomb.
Wow amazing, if Australia dug up all its uranium and enriched it to low enriched uranium, then enriched that to highly enriched uranium we'd have enough for like 1,000s of bombs
Canada also has a massive supply of uranium.

The funny thing is...  Both Canada and Australia don't have nuclear weapons, yet they have the world's 2 largest supplies of uranium.
I see a profitable future for Australia in the energy industry. Can't comment on Canada, no idea how much uranium they have. Think antarctica is stuffed full of it too, among other things.
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2009-02-21 08:44:42
Turquoise
O Canada
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FatherTed wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


Wow amazing, if Australia dug up all its uranium and enriched it to low enriched uranium, then enriched that to highly enriched uranium we'd have enough for like 1,000s of bombs
Canada also has a massive supply of uranium.

The funny thing is...  Both Canada and Australia don't have nuclear weapons, yet they have the world's 2 largest supplies of uranium.
I see a profitable future for Australia in the energy industry. Can't comment on Canada, no idea how much uranium they have. Think antarctica is stuffed full of it too, among other things.
If I'm not mistaken, Canada either has a larger supply of uranium than Australia, or they sell more of it than Australia.

Canada has chosen to sell its uranium to some...  interesting nations though.  If I'm not mistaken, they sold uranium to both India and Pakistan before they had nukes.
2009-02-21 08:46:19
FatherTed
xD
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Turquoise wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Canada also has a massive supply of uranium.

The funny thing is...  Both Canada and Australia don't have nuclear weapons, yet they have the world's 2 largest supplies of uranium.
I see a profitable future for Australia in the energy industry. Can't comment on Canada, no idea how much uranium they have. Think antarctica is stuffed full of it too, among other things.
If I'm not mistaken, Canada either has a larger supply of uranium than Australia, or they sell more of it than Australia.

Canada has chosen to sell its uranium to some...  interesting nations though.  If I'm not mistaken, they sold uranium to both India and Pakistan before they had nukes.
terrorist state right there!

On a side note, what do you think about the Antarctic treaty?
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2009-02-21 08:49:55
Turquoise
O Canada
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FatherTed wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FatherTed wrote:


I see a profitable future for Australia in the energy industry. Can't comment on Canada, no idea how much uranium they have. Think antarctica is stuffed full of it too, among other things.
If I'm not mistaken, Canada either has a larger supply of uranium than Australia, or they sell more of it than Australia.

Canada has chosen to sell its uranium to some...  interesting nations though.  If I'm not mistaken, they sold uranium to both India and Pakistan before they had nukes.
terrorist state right there!

On a side note, what do you think about the Antarctic treaty?
Honestly, I don't know much about it.  You were saying there's uranium down there too?
2009-02-21 09:01:21
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6803|so randum

Turquoise wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


If I'm not mistaken, Canada either has a larger supply of uranium than Australia, or they sell more of it than Australia.

Canada has chosen to sell its uranium to some...  interesting nations though.  If I'm not mistaken, they sold uranium to both India and Pakistan before they had nukes.
terrorist state right there!

On a side note, what do you think about the Antarctic treaty?
Honestly, I don't know much about it.  You were saying there's uranium down there too?
Ja there is, some theories there's oil there too. What many people (not suggesting yourself) fail to realise is the size of Antarctica, and it's practically untouched!
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2009-02-21 09:04:42
Turquoise
O Canada
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FatherTed wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FatherTed wrote:


terrorist state right there!

On a side note, what do you think about the Antarctic treaty?
Honestly, I don't know much about it.  You were saying there's uranium down there too?
Ja there is, some theories there's oil there too. What many people (not suggesting yourself) fail to realise is the size of Antarctica, and it's practically untouched!
It is definitely big...  It's bigger than Australia, right?

I suppose the only reason why we haven't exploited it yet is because it's so remote and such a harsh environment.  When you figure in the extreme cold and the ozone hole, it's almost like another planet.
2009-02-21 09:07:04
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6803|so randum
Antarctica = 14,000,000 km²
Australia = 7,686,850 km²

Pretty big yep

But like you said, it's such harsh environment, it's...impractical to study it too much.
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2009-02-21 09:10:26
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina
Well shit...  larger than Europe even...
2009-02-21 09:16:50
Mekstizzle
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+3,611|6924|London, England
I had no idea nuclear enrichment was such a slow and low yielding process, they've been at it for years now, and only now they've just about managed to make 20Kg's of the stuff? lulz......but it probably has more to do with the sanctions than anything else, but still.

I think what's dodgy with Iran is that they're going for weapons-grade enriched Uranium, which they don't need if they just want to create Nuclear Power Plants. Let this simple diagram explain...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Uranium_enrichment_proportions.svg/205px-Uranium_enrichment_proportions.svg.png
2009-02-21 13:00:58
rammunition
Fully Loaded
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Great stuff,  Iran can now make the Nuke, and defend themselves from outer threats that envy what they have achieved since the revolution
2009-02-21 14:18:48
FEOS
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rammunition wrote:

Great stuff,  Iran can now make the Nuke, and defend themselves from outer threats that envy what they have achieved since the revolution
Always good for a laugh, aren't you?

Can't think of any countries outside of sub-Saharan Africa that would envy Iran of anything.
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2009-02-21 14:34:11
rdx-fx
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rammunition wrote:

Great stuff,  Iran can now make the Nuke, and defend themselves from outer threats that envy what they have achieved since the revolution
Right.  'cause good ol' Iran would never use the threat of nuclear weapons to make themselves the dominant player in middle eastern politics.

Iran has never gone off-the-hilt and spouted any threats of annihilation towards anyone like Israel or America.

Nope.  Completely sane and stable leadership.

No massive revolutions in political leadership in the last 50 years.

They're just exactly the kind of government that should have it's words backed up with nuclear weapons.

Let's just give everybody in the middle east their own nuclear weapons, so they can be on parity with Iran.


</sarcasm>


Edit: If you think Iran having nukes is a good idea, I've got some beachfront resort properties in Pakistan I'd like to sell you.

Last edited by rdx-fx (2009-02-21 14:36:07)

2009-02-21 14:36:37
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6803|so randum

rdx-fx wrote:

</sarcasm>


Edit: If you think Iran having nukes is a good idea, I've got some beachfront resort properties in Pakistan I'd like to sell you.
This forum uses BBcode, so if we had sarcasm tags, they would go like

[sarcasm] [/sarcasm]

fyi

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2009-02-21 14:54:58
rdx-fx
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FatherTed wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

</sarcasm>


Edit: If you think Iran having nukes is a good idea, I've got some beachfront resort properties in Pakistan I'd like to sell you.
This forum uses BBcode, so if we had sarcasm tags, they would go like

[sarcasm] [/sarcasm]

fyi

Hmm..  off to BF2S Feature Request thread then.

</kidding> [/kidding]
2009-02-21 14:58:43
imortal
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+240|6968|Austin, TX

rdx-fx wrote:

Iran has never gone off-the-hilt and spouted any threats of annihilation towards anyone like Israel or America.
See, you went off-track here, because rammunition views threats like this against the US and Isreal as a good thing.
2009-02-21 15:04:52
rdx-fx
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imortal wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

Iran has never gone off-the-hilt and spouted any threats of annihilation towards anyone like Israel or America.
See, you went off-track here, because rammunition views threats like this against the US and Isreal as a good thing.
We still aren't allowed to respond with "No. you first" to things like that, right?
2009-02-21 15:35:58
cl4u53w1t2
Salon-Bolschewist
+269|6776|Kakanien
i wouldn't be afraid even if iran had the atomic bomb. believe it or not, their leaders are rational thinking guys, who know that if they attacked a western country (or israel) with nuclear weapons, they would be wiped off the earth

you should be worried about the real islamistic maniacs in pakistan who maybe soon will rule a country that has about 150 nuclear warheads...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2oh3h3DvY0
2009-02-22 04:18:39
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6409|eXtreme to the maX

Mek wrote:

I think what's dodgy with Iran is that they're going for weapons-grade enriched Uranium
Who says they are going for weapons grade uranium?
Fuck Israel
2009-02-23 02:33:14
PureFodder
Member
+225|6589
OMG!

Japan, Germany, South Korea, Ukraine, Canada, Sweeden, Spain, Belgium, Taiwan, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Finland, Slovakia, Brazil, South Africa, Hungary, Romaina, Mexico, Lithuania, Argentina, Slovenia, Netherlandsand Iran are all planning on making nukes apparently as they all have nuclear fuel.

No wait, they all just have fuel for their nuclear reactors just like they are legally allowed to have under international law.

 

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