Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Warhammer wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Warhammer wrote:

Huh, Stevens was one of the known corruption anyway. Personally There are liberal Republicans as well not to mention.

John McCain is one whom I was surprised of getting elected. He is the least liked Republican. Unfortunately, a moderate does well against strong conservative men running against him in a presidential bid during open primary states. (Thanks Huckabee for screwing up Mitt's chance by the way.)
Well, the reason why McCain won the nomination so quickly is because the GOP's primary system is equally as flawed as the general electoral one is.

The winner-takes-all approach for winning state votes heavily skews things in favor of winners by plurality.  McCain likely only got about 30 to 40% of his party's support outright but still managed to win because of this system.

If you guys had a more evenly representative system (more like the Democratic one), Romney or Huckabee would've likely won.

Granted, the Democratic one has the problem of superdelegates.  They shouldn't be part of the process at all.
Good point, though I kind of hate open primaries as well. In election you can crossover from your side and disrupt other sides choice of candidates, plus you get the flip flopping independents in the mix. Closed primaries or partial closed primaries seems the best way to go.
You say flip flopping I say the opportunity to keep an open mind. Political cults are exactly what our founding fathers warned us against, and for good reason.
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Warhammer
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Yes, I am sure there are reasons that some switch, but some I am referring to are the ones who get swayed for the moment-stimulation on how a candidate speaks and his persona versus his real firm bases. Too late on the political cult forewarning there are only 2 to pick from that make a major difference, I bet our forefathers really wanted a two party system (sarcasm).
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

Warhammer wrote:

Yes, I am sure there are reasons that some switch, but some I am referring to are the ones who get swayed for the moment-stimulation on how a candidate speaks and his persona versus his real firm bases. Too late on the political cult forewarning there are only 2 to pick from that make a major difference, I bet our forefathers really wanted a two party system (sarcasm).
Well, moderation is usually a good thing.

I'll put it this way. Of the major Republican candidates, McCain would've been the one I would've picked, because his social views were generally more moderate than that of the others.  He seemed more like a true advocate of smaller government than most of his competition.

Granted, Ron Paul was better than McCain, but he was too radical to stand a chance in the general election.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6714|'Murka

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Americans by and large do care about pork - when said pork is being spent in their region on their sandwich with lettuce, tomato, and mayo!
@ the OP:

Most people care about the pork...once they find out about it. It's the finding out that's a bitch, since that's usually well after the law has passed.
lol yeah they sure care which is why they keep electing these asshats
Short memories, tbh.
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Warhammer
Member
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Turquoise wrote:

Warhammer wrote:

Yes, I am sure there are reasons that some switch, but some I am referring to are the ones who get swayed for the moment-stimulation on how a candidate speaks and his persona versus his real firm bases. Too late on the political cult forewarning there are only 2 to pick from that make a major difference, I bet our forefathers really wanted a two party system (sarcasm).
Well, moderation is usually a good thing.

I'll put it this way. Of the major Republican candidates, McCain would've been the one I would've picked, because his social views were generally more moderate than that of the others.  He seemed more like a true advocate of smaller government than most of his competition.

Granted, Ron Paul was better than McCain, but he was too radical to stand a chance in the general election.
His tax and budget policy sure, but the other ones held view of the same policies. I wouldn't say his Medicaid policy was also small government. Personally if we had Mitt in the race against Obama it would of been more interesting considering he was more knowledgeable about the economy than McCain. Personally above them all I wanted Fred Thompson, but overall I think the open primaries killed the Republicans in having a better candidate option than McCain.
El Beardo
steel woolly mammoth
+150|6023|Gulf Coast

usmarine wrote:

well ofc people dont care about pork.
Sometimes they do....
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Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7025|Eastern PA

Kmarion wrote:

Well, I will say the electoral collage is pretty damn screwed up now too.
Can't have all that "democracy" breaking out can we!
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6904|132 and Bush

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Americans by and large do care about pork - when said pork is being spent in their region!
haha!

Back at Home, Congressional Republicans Praise Projects in Stimulus Bill They Opposed

These guys voted against the bill, lost, and then went home to brag about getting their constituents money in the bill they opposed .

Spineless to the core.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina
The conversation between Pawlenty and Maddow is pretty funny. lol

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