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Pakistan and Taliban Appear Near Deal

(Short Version:  Pakistan is getting it's ass kicked by the Taliban, and is thinking of letting the Taliban declare Sharia Law in the regions they already control, as a concession.)

Article wrote:

Government officials and Taliban militants appeared to be near a deal Sunday on the violent Swat region of northern Pakistan, where the militants declared a unilateral 10-day cease-fire and the government indicated it was willing to accept the imposition of Islamic law.

Any formal truce would be a major concession by the government, which, despite a military operation in Swat involving 12,000 Pakistani Army troops, has been losing ground to a Taliban force of about 3,000 fighters. The militants have kept a stranglehold on the area for months, killing local police officers and officials and punishing residents who do not adhere to strict Islamic tenets.

High-level talks on Taliban demands for Shariah law in Swat and the surrounding region were to continue on Monday in Islamabad, Pakistan, involving President Asif Ali Zardari; the army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani; and senior local officials. But on Sunday, a prominent regional official, Mian Iftikhar Hussain, said that there was already an agreement in principle.

The Taliban made several gestures on Sunday that appeared to be aimed at moving the deal along, including declaring a 10-day cease-fire with government troops in Swat. A militant spokesman there, Muslim Khan, said the move was made out of good will and told reporters that “our fighters will neither target security forces nor government installations.” But he insisted that the militants would fight back if attacked.

Earlier, Mr. Khan said that the Taliban had released a Chinese engineer, Long Xiaowei, who had been held hostage since August, The Associated Press reported.

Previous attempts at truces in the region have fallen apart, most notably last May. And the United States has strongly opposed making political concessions to the Taliban, urging Mr. Zardari’s government to fight more vigorously.

That appeared to happen last summer, when the army began an offensive in Swat. But the move quickly stalled, with troops reduced mostly to remotely shelling suspected Taliban sites and the militants effectively imposing their authority throughout the region.

Since then, Taliban leaders have proscribed what they call un-Islamic activities by residents, including watching television, dancing and shaving beards, and they have sometimes beheaded offenders. The penalties are regularly, and terrifyingly, announced over radio stations under the militants’ control. Tens of thousands of residents of the area, which was once a popular tourist spot and considered a mainstream part of the country, have fled the intimidation and violence.

It was unclear what any formal truce would include, and the government had recently said that it was not planning to withdraw troops from Swat.

Mr. Hussain played down the significance of a formal acceptance of Shariah law in the area, saying that it would be mostly a technical agreement.

“We are not enacting any new law,” he said. “The regulation already exists and is enforced in Swat, but the mechanism to enforce it is missing. We are only providing for an increase in the number of judges and setting a time frame for the disposal of cases.”
BVC
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If the US is going after any nation which harbours those responsible for 9/11, wouldn't any such agreement between Pakistan and the Taleban give the US cause to go into Pakistan?
Catbox
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sounds good... for the Taliban...
Love is the answer
Poseidon
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Only a matter of time before the Taliban start heading toward their nuke storage facilities...

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LividBovine
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WE win...wait...wat?

This does not sound good. 

Why on Earth are they even dealing with the Taliban in the first place.  Pakistan has no backbone.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
Reciprocity
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Pakistan has nukes.

Pakistan also had AQ Khan, the guy selling western nuclear tech to any middle eastern country that'd throw cash at him.  But, they let him go.

As an aside, I highly doubt the USA is going to go into Pakistan in force, until they're begging for our help.

I'd prefer Pakistan was reduced to asking India for help, but I'm just mean like that.
Reciprocity
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khan needs to be quietly removed.
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Reciprocity wrote:

khan needs to be quietly removed.
Would just be a terrible accident if he happened to be standing too close, when a Predator dropped a Hellfire on a Taliban or Al Quaeda leader.

He really should be careful who he's standing around talking to, for the forseeable future.


And, for anyone that might get deployed in the next year or three, might I suggest a little light reading.
Dari or Pashto-Afghani Language headstart kits, courtesty of Defense Language Institute.

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Dilbert_X
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Pubic wrote:

If the US is going after any nation which harbours those responsible for 9/11, wouldn't any such agreement between Pakistan and the Taleban give the US cause to go into Pakistan?
No, because the Taleban had no involvement in 9/11.
Nor did Saddam come to think of it.
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Reciprocity
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or his plane has mechanical poblems.  it doesn't need to be spectacular.  it's not about retribution, he's simply too dangerous to live.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Pubic wrote:

If the US is going after any nation which harbours those responsible for 9/11, wouldn't any such agreement between Pakistan and the Taleban give the US cause to go into Pakistan?
No, because the Taleban had no involvement in 9/11.
Nor did Saddam come to think of it.
Didn't the taleban shelter OBL and AQ?
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Pubic wrote:

Didn't the taleban shelter OBL and AQ?
Yeah, they did.

That's not the worst of their actions.

They're a touch intolerant of anyone that doesn't believe exactly as they do. 
Beheadings, stonings, amputation.

The kind of people that put the fun in fundamentalist.  Or was it the mental part?  I forget.
Anyways, the kind of people that are a shit-stain on the Muslim faith.
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Pubic wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Pubic wrote:

If the US is going after any nation which harbours those responsible for 9/11, wouldn't any such agreement between Pakistan and the Taleban give the US cause to go into Pakistan?
No, because the Taleban had no involvement in 9/11.
Nor did Saddam come to think of it.
Didn't the taleban shelter OBL and AQ?
To be fair on them, we asked them to extradite a bunch of their citizens and offered no proof of their guilt.

Our countries would have sheltered them too under those conditions.
Dilbert_X
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Didn't the taleban shelter OBL and AQ?
As is their tradition.

Would you hand someone over to a pissed off muslim waving a scimitar and ranting about jihad?
I probably wouldn't.
Fuck Israel
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PureFodder wrote:

To be fair on them, we asked them to extradite a bunch of their citizens and offered no proof of their guilt.

Our countries would have sheltered them too under those conditions.
Afghanis in general are a prickly bunch when it comes to handing over their guests.
Mountain-tribal afghanis especially will not betray a guest, unless the guest lies or betrays them.
The rest of them.. would sell their mother for a slightly used goat.
Dilbert_X
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"Do what we say or we kill you" has not worked well in that region for a while now.
But that was the most complex plan Duhbya could come up with so I guess thats why he went with it.
Yakking about 'crusades' was not the smartest step either.

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Dilbert, your trolls are not up to your usual standards.

Go grab your morning coffee, and come back after it's kicked in.
usmarine
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pakistan is incapable of doing anything.  they see their new leader as powerless.  they fucked up and i dont think they can fix it.


its funny you know, about 10 years ago ask any security expert and they would say no way in hell pakistan could be taken over by islamic nutters.  Ask them that today and most agree it is very possible.
Mekstizzle
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I was just about to make a topic when I saw this one, touche Mr.FX

anyway here's what I had:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7891955.stm

It's not even just one of those crazy border regions

https://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45477000/gif/_45477689_pak_226x289.gif

Pakistan has signed a peace deal with a Taleban group that will lead to the enforcement of the Islamic Sharia law in the restive Swat valley.

Regional officials urged the Taleban, who agreed a 10-day truce on Sunday, to lay down their arms permanently.

Once one of Pakistan's most popular holiday destinations, the Swat valley is now mostly under Taleban control.
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Read the article, they've pretty much surrendered to them in the area, what the hell's going on then, this War in Afghanistan/Pakistan seems to be going in the complete opposite direction.

Many people in Swat now would favour an early exit by the army as they have failed to roll back the Taleban or protect the Taleban's opponents, says our correspondent.
Seems like they've just given up and are now prepared to let the Taliban set up country

That place is fucked basically.

And this comes just after their President said they're basically in a fight for suvival

/merg'd

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Dilbert, the Taliban had everything to do with 9/11 and Terrorism. They're the guys that are making the safe havens for Al Queda so they can plot their dastardly deeds, whether it's making it Afghanistan, or Pakistan. If you can destroy the Taliban, or somehow defeat them, then that's a major blow to AQ.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2009-02-16 07:26:25)

usmarine
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Mekstizzle wrote:

this War in Afghanistan/Pakistan seems to be going in the complete opposite direction.
ummm...how do you figure?  this is what happens when you drive them out of afghan, then they are allowed to set up shop in paki, and launch attacks into afghan and iraq.  all the time bitching about the US trying to stop them, including the crying coming from a lot of people on this forum (go figure).  If this is some sort of shock to people, then I have to ask where have you been?
Mekstizzle
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I just didn't expect the Pakistan Military to give up so easily, then again alot of them and the ISI etc.. are Taliban sympathisers so that comes as no surprise, I guess.
FEOS
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PureFodder wrote:

Pubic wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

No, because the Taleban had no involvement in 9/11.
Nor did Saddam come to think of it.
Didn't the taleban shelter OBL and AQ?
To be fair on them, we asked them to extradite a bunch of their citizens and offered no proof of their guilt.

Our countries would have sheltered them too under those conditions.
None of those we asked for were Afghani or Taliban. You have no idea what amount of proof of guilt was offered, as all you (or any or the rest of us) ever saw was what was on TV. The negotiations did not happen via TV.

Our countries most certainly wouldn't have sheltered known terrorists who were proven and freely admitted to have attacked their people and embassies in various countries.

As for the OP, the Taliban are actually far more prevalent in the Baluchistan province, not the NW border regions. Allowing sharia law in the NW regions is catering more to other fundamentalist groups than the Taliban.

Last edited by FEOS (2009-02-16 13:40:58)

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In the past, major wars have pulled America out of recessions.

Maybe invading Pakistan will be the next "stimulus package".  I can't say I'd necessarily be against that....
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Turquoise wrote:

In the past, major wars have pulled America out of recessions.

Maybe invading Pakistan will be the next "stimulus package".  I can't say I'd necessarily be against that....
Invading any country that has actually got nukes seems really counter productive.

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