cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6999|NJ
I've been thinking alot about the financial world right now.. Everyone is pointing fingers at everybody else, but really what is the point? How is this going to improve our situation? What's done is done we propped our economy up on an other bubble and it burst. If we work and patch up this mess, how long is it really going to last? People in every part of this economy are losing there jobs and there is really no end in sight. Who cares how much one CEO stole off of a company and how it failed.

We need serious change and a plan to get us away from our currently flawed credit system completely.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6409|eXtreme to the maX
Need to set the economy up so it doesn't fail this way again, and rebuild confidence.
Fuck Israel
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5889

Figure out who's fault it was so that next time we don't make the same mistakes. It may be soon it may be awhile but it will eventually get better economies just going through cycles.
rdx-fx
...
+955|6895
lessons learned only work so long as the people remember them.

This is why we keep having similar problems repeat themselves every few generations.

People forget how much something sucked.. and why some things are bad ideas..
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6409|eXtreme to the maX
Need therefore to put laws in place, and not repeal them this time.
Fuck Israel
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5889

Dilbert_X wrote:

Need therefore to put laws in place, and not repeal them this time.
O god no. Please never make laws that cannot be repealed.
If anything repeal the laws in 25 years so that the next generation will learn and improve.
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7019
Hopefully we learned not to lend money to people to buy houses they can't afford to pay for...?
Love is the answer
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5889

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

Hopefully we learned not to lend money to people to buy houses they can't afford to pay for...?
Well then it seems we'll have to get very creative in how we're going to destroy the world economy next time.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6993|Tampa Bay Florida
"free market" economic policy -> less regulation -> rich people finding illegal ways to make money and not get caught -> everyone else suffers
PureFodder
Member
+225|6589
The point is to avoid it happening again.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina
Bailouts don't work.

What would work is to better regulate the credit industry.  We should disband the Fed Reserve but put a few new rules into place.

First, credit cards should be banned from marketing at college campuses.  I know it sounds odd to hear me support a ban of any kind, but this one actually makes sense.  Over 30 years ago, credit card companies weren't allowed to market as aggressively to young adults as they do now.  My parents can remember a time in the late 70s and early 80s when getting a credit line of any kind was difficult.  This was a good thing though, because banks made sounder, more fiscally conservative decisions partially because of certain regulations in place.  Getting a credit line was a sign of responsibility and of having the financial security to pay your bills on time.

Nowadays, credit companies intentionally seek out people with bad credit because of the higher interest rates they can charge and with the hope that they pay late, so that they can jack up rates even more.  This little scam worked for a long time until the number of bankruptcies and completely negligent people rose to a level that the companies started amassing huge debts of their own.

Part of the repercussions of this scam and reckless greed was that parents of college students ended up bailing out the debts of their students on a massive scale.  Thousands upon thousands of families across America are hurting more financially because of irresponsible actions on the part of their student children when they sign up for credit cards at kiosks that colleges allow in student gathering areas.  At first, this was a manageable problem, but with so many older adults already living beyond their means, the debts of their children can make the difference between staying afloat and going bankrupt.

In short, this has to stop.  We've cultivated a lifestyle of debt in this country that is mirrored in an exaggerated way by the actions of our politicians.  Banning credit marketing to students on college campuses would be a good start to limiting the effects of irresponsible spending and lending.

Second, repeal the CRA.  The Community Reinvestment Act was well-intentioned but horribly implemented.

Third, repeal the Gramm-Leach-Billey Act and reinstate the Glass-Steagal Act.  Mortgage derivatives and other risky behavior should become things of the past.

Fourth, regulate the fuck out of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.  Barney Frank's bullshit should be a thing of the past as well.

Fifth, end the bailouts.

Other than that, we must let the market clear itself.
DeathBecomesYu
Member
+171|6483
One thing that is making me extremely upset is how banks themselves are reacting to this. I am not an expert by any means but this is what happened a few days ago here in Michigan. One of the biggest builders in Michigan can no longer get a credit line from ANY bank. All the banks this company has tried has closed the door on builders and will not extend credit.

The problem I have with this is that this was one of the few remaining home builders still actively building homes, still trying to make it through. He has no problem paying his bills and hasn't been late but no banks will cooperate in the least. The builder is shutting his doors.  I live in Michigan and this is the first time in recorded history that not one building permit for a residence was issued in the month of December. That covers the tri county area in and around the state capitol of Michigan.

Since my living is drawing home plans as an architect, this, of course affects me directly. I have commercial work coming in but if I didn't have that, I would be dead in the water. I guess I find it amazing that even a company who is doing it right, paying its bills, still building homes has to close its doors because no banks are willing to work with him or any builder in this area.

Am I missing something??? Again, I am not an expert in finances or how banks work, but it would seem to me that they would want to work with someone who is doing something right and in my opinion, keeping housing in this area barely afloat....well, not any more now!!
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6409|eXtreme to the maX
O god no. Please never make laws that cannot be repealed.
I didn't say that, I said don't repeal them.
Much of the problem now is the laws put in place after the 1929 crash were repealed.
Fuck Israel
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6884|the dank(super) side of Oregon

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

One thing that is making me extremely upset is how banks themselves are reacting to this. I am not an expert by any means but this is what happened a few days ago here in Michigan. One of the biggest builders in Michigan can no longer get a credit line from ANY bank. All the banks this company has tried has closed the door on builders and will not extend credit.

The problem I have with this is that this was one of the few remaining home builders still actively building homes, still trying to make it through. He has no problem paying his bills and hasn't been late but no banks will cooperate in the least. The builder is shutting his doors.  I live in Michigan and this is the first time in recorded history that not one building permit for a residence was issued in the month of December. That covers the tri county area in and around the state capitol of Michigan.

Since my living is drawing home plans as an architect, this, of course affects me directly. I have commercial work coming in but if I didn't have that, I would be dead in the water. I guess I find it amazing that even a company who is doing it right, paying its bills, still building homes has to close its doors because no banks are willing to work with him or any builder in this area.

Am I missing something??? Again, I am not an expert in finances or how banks work, but it would seem to me that they would want to work with someone who is doing something right and in my opinion, keeping housing in this area barely afloat....well, not any more now!!
There's likely an inventory surplus in Michigan.  Why would a bank loan money to build homes that no one wants?  This is the correction, it hurts, but this is how things get back to normal.  and then we get to ride the next bubble.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6999|NJ
Well it's a bubble, the idea of money has to exist.. But we just had a finance bubble burst. A good portion of us where and are employed by the banks, we haven't and can't live without borrowing money.. It's a fucked system when your paychecks end up going to the government/credit cards and there really is no way around it.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6714|'Murka

I'm getting ready to get a great deal on a house with a super-low fixed interest rate.

There are upsides to every situation. The key is finding them and profiting from them.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
andy12
Banned
+52|6961

cpt.fass1 wrote:

I've been thinking alot about the financial world right now.. Everyone is pointing fingers at everybody else, but really what is the point?
There isn't, it's human nature. Most of what we do is pointless, in fact if you get real deep... All of what we do is pointless.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6999|NJ

FEOS wrote:

I'm getting ready to get a great deal on a house with a super-low fixed interest rate.

There are upsides to every situation. The key is finding them and profiting from them.
Yeah the only problem right now is "how stable is your job?"..
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6999|NJ

andy12 wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

I've been thinking alot about the financial world right now.. Everyone is pointing fingers at everybody else, but really what is the point?
There isn't, it's human nature. Most of what we do is pointless, in fact if you get real deep... All of what we do is pointless.
True that, we should smoke pot and talk about how ice cream is awesome..

well right now with the government involved I bet you we're spending 10 dollars to find 5..
andy12
Banned
+52|6961

cpt.fass1 wrote:

andy12 wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

I've been thinking alot about the financial world right now.. Everyone is pointing fingers at everybody else, but really what is the point?
There isn't, it's human nature. Most of what we do is pointless, in fact if you get real deep... All of what we do is pointless.
True that, we should smoke pot and talk about how ice cream is awesome..
Mmmm, what?

cpt.fass1 wrote:

well right now with the government involved I bet you we're spending 10 dollars to find 5..
Not American, so nope...
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6714|'Murka

cpt.fass1 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

I'm getting ready to get a great deal on a house with a super-low fixed interest rate.

There are upsides to every situation. The key is finding them and profiting from them.
Yeah the only problem right now is "how stable is your job?"..
Not a problem at all. For me, at least.

My priority is to take care of my family. I'm doing that. Those who are in unstable markets, job-wise, would be wise to look to cross over to something less unstable.

Most unstable job markets involve either starter jobs (like retail) or jobs that are essentially high-risk, high-payoff. The high risk is the instability, but they paid well when the market supported them. There are plenty of opportunities in more mainstream markets that aren't as susceptible to variations in the economy.

But back to the OP, pointing fingers doesn't get anywhere. Finding what/who is at fault does. There is a distinct difference between placing blame and finding fault.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
DeathBecomesYu
Member
+171|6483

Reciprocity wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

One thing that is making me extremely upset is how banks themselves are reacting to this. I am not an expert by any means but this is what happened a few days ago here in Michigan. One of the biggest builders in Michigan can no longer get a credit line from ANY bank. All the banks this company has tried has closed the door on builders and will not extend credit.

The problem I have with this is that this was one of the few remaining home builders still actively building homes, still trying to make it through. He has no problem paying his bills and hasn't been late but no banks will cooperate in the least. The builder is shutting his doors.  I live in Michigan and this is the first time in recorded history that not one building permit for a residence was issued in the month of December. That covers the tri county area in and around the state capitol of Michigan.

Since my living is drawing home plans as an architect, this, of course affects me directly. I have commercial work coming in but if I didn't have that, I would be dead in the water. I guess I find it amazing that even a company who is doing it right, paying its bills, still building homes has to close its doors because no banks are willing to work with him or any builder in this area.

Am I missing something??? Again, I am not an expert in finances or how banks work, but it would seem to me that they would want to work with someone who is doing something right and in my opinion, keeping housing in this area barely afloat....well, not any more now!!
There's likely an inventory surplus in Michigan.  Why would a bank loan money to build homes that no one wants?  This is the correction, it hurts, but this is how things get back to normal.  and then we get to ride the next bubble.
Actually, the builder is not building homes to add to inventory. He had 4 contracts with individual clients who wanted a new home. The problem is that he couldn't get a line of credit from the banks to start the projects. Im not exactly sure of the details but I do know that these were not spec homes or just homes built to sit on a lot for sale. These were homes that already had people with signed contracts to occupy the homes when finished. He can't get them started, he cant get a line of credit for his business and he is shutting his doors.

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