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Freke1 wrote:

So really debating UFOs/religion/politics etc. is kind of pointless.

guess this will be the shortest thread ever in DAST

Politics can be more concrete though.

Debating policy has a logical basis, because defenses can be made according to demonstrable results.

For example, I can defend the legality of alcohol by pointing out that when it was banned a long time ago, it exponentially increased the power of organized crime in America.  By contrast, any benefits resulting from the ban were dwarfed by this very large negative consequence.

Other policies can be debated via looking at history or statistics as well.

So politics can still be more reasoned in debates than religion or UFOs because of the more tangible nature of politics.

Turquoise wrote:

Politics can be more concrete though.

Debating policy has a logical basis, because defenses can be made according to demonstrable results.

For example, I can defend the legality of alcohol by pointing out that when it was banned a long time ago, it exponentially increased the power of organized crime in America.  By contrast, any benefits resulting from the ban were dwarfed by this very large negative consequence.

Other policies can be debated via looking at history or statistics as well.

So politics can still be more reasoned in debates than religion or UFOs because of the more tangible nature of politics.

Yeah, I agree.

But the religion shit, we'll never fucking know, there is no use in debate.

Ive seen a UFO

I'm not a believer in UFOs, but logically speaking, there is more reason to believe we've been contacted by aliens than there is reason to believe that an omnipotent being exists.

SealXo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I'm not a believer in UFOs, but logically speaking, there is more reason to believe we've been contacted by aliens than there is reason to believe that an omnipotent being exists.

Out of the whole universe that is trillion and trillions to infinite lightyears beyond us don't you think its a little ignorant to believe that there arnt other lifeforms on other planets in other galaxies? Weve already found life on jupiters moons. And look how close that is when perspectivly looking at the universe.

Agreed.  I believe aliens exist.  I'm just not sure about them having contacted us yet.

We're pretty far away from the nearest solar system.  Alpha Centauri is about 4 light years away.

This means that if any aliens have actually reached us, there are a few limited possibilities involved...

1) The aliens know how to travel at immensely fast speeds.

2) The aliens evolved to an amazingly advanced level of technology quite a long time ago.

3) The aliens actually live in a system close to ours.

The point is, you are correct about the odds of other intelligent life being likely.  What isn't as likely is that this life has actually reached us.

^^^ Lol!

SealXo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

SealXo wrote:

Out of the whole universe that is trillion and trillions to infinite lightyears beyond us don't you think its a little ignorant to believe that there arnt other lifeforms on other planets in other galaxies? Weve already found life on jupiters moons. And look how close that is when perspectivly looking at the universe.

Agreed.  I believe aliens exist.  I'm just not sure about them having contacted us yet.

We're pretty far away from the nearest solar system.  Alpha Centauri is about 4 light years away.

This means that if any aliens have actually reached us, there are a few limited possibilities involved...

1) The aliens know how to travel at immensely fast speeds.

2) The aliens evolved to an amazingly advanced level of technology quite a long time ago.

3) The aliens actually live in a system close to ours.

The point is, you are correct about the odds of other intelligent life being likely.  What isn't as likely is that this life has actually reached us.

Stonehenge? I think the probability of aliens helping put 90 ton rocks upright its far greater than primitive people doing it in the middle of a grass field. Give me 1000 people today with no tools and nobody would have a clue how to do it.
Pyramids? Isn't it coincidental the aztecs and the egyptians both made these at around the same time?

As far as large structures go, archaelogists have determined that pyramids were made via systematic digging and dragging.  Certain simple mechanical devices like pulleys were also possible and have the ability to multiply leverage if they are properly used in conjunction.

Again, this goes back to Occam's Razor.  When in doubt, go with the assumption that is the least far-fetched.   I believe much more in human ingenuity than in divine or extraterrestial intervention.

However, I will admit that we've seen some remarkable things and remarkable coincidences.

SealXo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I'm not a believer in UFOs, but logically speaking, there is more reason to believe we've been contacted by aliens than there is reason to believe that an omnipotent being exists.

Out of the whole universe that is trillion and trillions to infinite lightyears beyond us don't you think its a little ignorant to believe that there arnt other lifeforms on other planets in other galaxies? Weve already found life on jupiters moons. And look how close that is when perspectivly looking at the universe.

What you mean to say is theoretically conditions could exist for life as we know it on Jupiters moon Europa.

I always find this amusing at best when people believe that ancient people could not build what they did. I am an architect and studied architecture and architectural history and it amazes me how many people just don't give credit to ancient civilizations. People today depend way too much on something else doing it for them, therefore, can't fathom how in the world ancient peoples did what they did. If you look at any culture in any region of the world in ancient times, you will find architecture and structures that truly are phenomenal. It is not an exception, it is the rule on every continent. There are many places that people don't even really know about. Anyway...aliens had nothing to do with existing or any ancient structure on this planet, give our ancestors their due credit.

As far as alien life. I believe there is life everywhere out there and even in our own galaxy. It is almost an impossibility that there isn't even in our galaxy. The scale of our own galaxy is mind boggling, I believe it would take about 60 years just to travel to the nearest object outside our solar system and that is at the fastest speed known to humans at this point. The biggest problem is just the shear size and distance of objects in space. If our scientists are correct and the fastest speeds known is the speed of light then it would be impossible to have aliens visiting unless they started towards us millions and millions of years ago WITHIN OUR OWN GALAXY.

On the other hand, we are infants in our knowledge of things. We have come a long way in about 100 years but we are probably idiots to ancient alien life and they possibly understand travel and the universe far beyond our comprehension. The speed of light may be very slow in their knowledge and they may know how to bend space to travel almost instantly from spot to spot. Obviously we are not there yet and possibly ancient alien life has already solved those kinds of issues long ago.

My opinion, we are not alone in the universe, but I have no idea if anything is faster than the speed of light and that is the big hurdle, especially since space is expanding faster and faster.

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

but I have no idea if anything is faster than the speed of light and that is the big hurdle, especially since space is expanding faster and faster.

Wormholes tbh.

Personally I'm getting tired of the lack of progress in UFO/evolution/religion/politics etc. matters. In 50 years we will be debating the same excatc things just like they did 50 years ago. So what's the point really...

They still don't know what UFO's are.
They still don't know how the pyramids was build.
They still don't know if there is a god etc.
Why is this not TOP priority. What's more important?