translation........Now that Obama is president it is not right to point out presidential faults. SO stop it.mikkel wrote:
Good god, what is the purpose of these threads? To show that some of the liberals on this forum are guilty of double standards? Doesn't the absence of threads like these authored by conservatives during the Bush administration prove that precisely the same is applicable to them?
You guys are having fist fights with hand grenades. Whatever you're trying to prove, you inadvertently prove yourselves guilty of the same.
We all know there are hypocrites on both sides of the political spectrum. We don't need dozens of threads pointing this out by going "Nyah nyah!"
You don't need a few months, just look at his first few weeks and this OP.JahManRed wrote:
I think the US is even more partisan than here in Northern Ireland. It seams you can't have a mixture or liberal and conservative views. You must fit in a box, you must be one or the other. Its bullshit. I couldn't fit myself into either of them. I pride myself on having an open view on my countries politics. I don't simply listen to Liberal news stations and take them as gospel and rubbish conservative news stations. Because there are no liberal or conservative news stations. Some news stations have a back ground addenda, it doesn't make them a lib of a con, it makes them a news station with an addenda. A spade is a spade and so on.Cybargs wrote:
wtf is with all these labels lately, just cause you're a liberal you support this, just cause you're a conservative you support that.
I remember how the "libs" critized Bush at every turn and the cons defended him in every thread. Seams the same is happening now in reverse. The ppl who defended everything Bush done are now attacking Obama and visa versa. I wish ppl would just admit that that is they way it is.
Personally I am going to give Obama a few months and if he is fucking up in my opinion, I shall say it. But I am giving him a chance.
No, you got it wrong. It's "lowing, for the love of god, stop making these ridiculous threads. You don't need a dozen threads to make the forum aware of your opinion on the matter."lowing wrote:
translation........Now that Obama is president it is not right to point out presidential faults. SO stop it.mikkel wrote:
Good god, what is the purpose of these threads? To show that some of the liberals on this forum are guilty of double standards? Doesn't the absence of threads like these authored by conservatives during the Bush administration prove that precisely the same is applicable to them?
You guys are having fist fights with hand grenades. Whatever you're trying to prove, you inadvertently prove yourselves guilty of the same.
We all know there are hypocrites on both sides of the political spectrum. We don't need dozens of threads pointing this out by going "Nyah nyah!"
I don't have the faintest of interest in what your opinion is. Just that you don't spam the forum with your vindictive mentality. At least the people you criticise usually point out topics with valid criticism, regardless of whether or not they're veiled attacks. You, on the other hand, seem to do it solely to point your finger at the people you disagree with.
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Least lowing can back up his shit. Instead of going ZOGMS WAR CRIMINAL GRRRRRRRRR NEXT HITLER ZOGMSmikkel wrote:
No, you got it wrong. It's "lowing, for the love of god, stop making these ridiculous threads. You don't need a dozen threads to make the forum aware of your opinion on the matter."lowing wrote:
translation........Now that Obama is president it is not right to point out presidential faults. SO stop it.mikkel wrote:
Good god, what is the purpose of these threads? To show that some of the liberals on this forum are guilty of double standards? Doesn't the absence of threads like these authored by conservatives during the Bush administration prove that precisely the same is applicable to them?
You guys are having fist fights with hand grenades. Whatever you're trying to prove, you inadvertently prove yourselves guilty of the same.
We all know there are hypocrites on both sides of the political spectrum. We don't need dozens of threads pointing this out by going "Nyah nyah!"
I don't have the faintest of interest in what your opinion is. Just that you don't spam the forum with your vindictive mentality. At least the people you criticise usually point out topics with valid criticism, regardless of whether or not they're veiled attacks. You, on the other hand, seem to do it solely to point your finger at the people you disagree with.
Lowing spouts just as much unsubstantiated bullshit as anyone else does. Right now, he's even shooting himself in the foot.Cybargs wrote:
Least lowing can back up his shit. Instead of going ZOGMS WAR CRIMINAL GRRRRRRRRR NEXT HITLER ZOGMSmikkel wrote:
No, you got it wrong. It's "lowing, for the love of god, stop making these ridiculous threads. You don't need a dozen threads to make the forum aware of your opinion on the matter."lowing wrote:
translation........Now that Obama is president it is not right to point out presidential faults. SO stop it.
I don't have the faintest of interest in what your opinion is. Just that you don't spam the forum with your vindictive mentality. At least the people you criticise usually point out topics with valid criticism, regardless of whether or not they're veiled attacks. You, on the other hand, seem to do it solely to point your finger at the people you disagree with.
It's all just so funny yet again, because under lowing's definitions of liberals and socialists, he voted for one. All according to him.
How's that for ironic?
How's that for ironic?
Why should they have to deal with either bullshit anywayLittle BaBy JESUS wrote:
Ill take tax cheats over ex-oil ceo's with a secret agenda.
/beginingD&STflamewar13005
Good these s.o.b's are resigning and not taking up the positions.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7868303.stm
I can't believe O still has the gall to then say that:
If anything, I think O and co are more susceptible to outside pressures such as the media etc.. at least much more than W, that way I think if you guys play your cards right you can keep him in line, and in touch with his campaign promisesO wrote:
he had accepted his nominee's withdrawal "with sadness and regret".
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti … sDaily.com
Not surprisingly, the source of the OP is rather biased.
"Although a range of views does find its way into MND commentary, its reputation as a conservative site seems well deserved. The diversity of views in a roundtable discussion on Fathers’ Rights and the Marriage Movement went only so far as to include classic liberal thinkers as opponents. An August 2004 article criticizes religious right think tank Family Research Council for not being conservative enough."
Not surprisingly, the source of the OP is rather biased.
"Although a range of views does find its way into MND commentary, its reputation as a conservative site seems well deserved. The diversity of views in a roundtable discussion on Fathers’ Rights and the Marriage Movement went only so far as to include classic liberal thinkers as opponents. An August 2004 article criticizes religious right think tank Family Research Council for not being conservative enough."
We should have people pointing out BS. I don't see why you guys are jumping on lowings case. If he truly thinks our leaders are screwing up I thank him for voicing his opinion. We live in a free and open society.. dissent is allowed here. FFS Obama himself just admitted he screwed up.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090204/ap_ … d_nominees
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090204/ap_ … d_nominees
Barack Obama on Tuesday abruptly abandoned his nomination fight for Tom Daschle and a second major appointee who failed to pay all their taxes, fearing a lingering ethics dispute would undercut his claims to moral high ground and cripple his presidency in just its second week. "I screwed up," Obama declared.
"It's important for this administration to send a message that there aren't two sets of rules — you know, one for prominent people and one for ordinary folks who have to pay their taxes," Obama said near the end of a day of jarring developments, little more than 24 hours after he had said he was "absolutely" committed to Daschle's confirmation.
"I'm frustrated with myself, with our team. ... I'm here on television saying I screwed up," Obama said on NBC's "Nightly News with Brian Williams." He repeated virtually the same words in interviews with other TV anchors.
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Not really sure how you can dismiss Obama's tax cheating, lobbyist, cabinet, as irrelevent, epecially when Obama himself promised no such people would appear in his administration. But oh well, I guess I am just being hateful and intolerant.mikkel wrote:
No, you got it wrong. It's "lowing, for the love of god, stop making these ridiculous threads. You don't need a dozen threads to make the forum aware of your opinion on the matter."lowing wrote:
translation........Now that Obama is president it is not right to point out presidential faults. SO stop it.mikkel wrote:
Good god, what is the purpose of these threads? To show that some of the liberals on this forum are guilty of double standards? Doesn't the absence of threads like these authored by conservatives during the Bush administration prove that precisely the same is applicable to them?
You guys are having fist fights with hand grenades. Whatever you're trying to prove, you inadvertently prove yourselves guilty of the same.
We all know there are hypocrites on both sides of the political spectrum. We don't need dozens of threads pointing this out by going "Nyah nyah!"
I don't have the faintest of interest in what your opinion is. Just that you don't spam the forum with your vindictive mentality. At least the people you criticise usually point out topics with valid criticism, regardless of whether or not they're veiled attacks. You, on the other hand, seem to do it solely to point your finger at the people you disagree with.
Actually I didn't shoot myself in the foot, Obama did, Tom Dachel ( the tax cheat) is out, and ya know why? Because if he didn't withdrawl, even more dirt woulda been dug up on him. Better to cut his losses and leave what is not so well enough, alone.mikkel wrote:
Lowing spouts just as much unsubstantiated bullshit as anyone else does. Right now, he's even shooting himself in the foot.Cybargs wrote:
Least lowing can back up his shit. Instead of going ZOGMS WAR CRIMINAL GRRRRRRRRR NEXT HITLER ZOGMSmikkel wrote:
No, you got it wrong. It's "lowing, for the love of god, stop making these ridiculous threads. You don't need a dozen threads to make the forum aware of your opinion on the matter."
I don't have the faintest of interest in what your opinion is. Just that you don't spam the forum with your vindictive mentality. At least the people you criticise usually point out topics with valid criticism, regardless of whether or not they're veiled attacks. You, on the other hand, seem to do it solely to point your finger at the people you disagree with.
Sadly, what American politics is reduced to, is not who you can vote FOR, rather, who do you have to vote AGAINST.Poseidon wrote:
It's all just so funny yet again, because under lowing's definitions of liberals and socialists, he voted for one. All according to him.
How's that for ironic?
It's very refreshing. It took George eight years to acknowledge his humanity.Kmarion wrote:
FFS Obama himself just admitted he screwed up.
Or you could have not voted at all.lowing wrote:
Sadly, what American politics is reduced to, is not who you can vote FOR, rather, who do you have to vote AGAINST.Poseidon wrote:
It's all just so funny yet again, because under lowing's definitions of liberals and socialists, he voted for one. All according to him.
How's that for ironic?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Bush stood by his convictions, regardless of popularity. You can expect no such behavior from Obama, he will be told what to do all through his administration. He has to, since he has no experience to fall back on and as a puppet on strings, the democrats can pose him anyway their little liberal hearts desire.Reciprocity wrote:
It's very refreshing. It took George eight years to acknowledge his humanity.Kmarion wrote:
FFS Obama himself just admitted he screwed up.
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A lot of people take that attitude.Spark wrote:
Or you could have not voted at all.lowing wrote:
Sadly, what American politics is reduced to, is not who you can vote FOR, rather, who do you have to vote AGAINST.Poseidon wrote:
It's all just so funny yet again, because under lowing's definitions of liberals and socialists, he voted for one. All according to him.
How's that for ironic?
Even he admitted to some fuck-ups. It's got nothing to do with convictions, it's about being a human and occasionally having poor judgement and making mistakes.lowing wrote:
Bush stood by his convictions
And that was one of the bravest things he's had to do.Reciprocity wrote:
Even he admitted to some fuck-ups. It's got nothing to do with convictions, it's about being a human and occasionally having poor judgement and making mistakes.lowing wrote:
Bush stood by his convictions
Yup he has, point being he refused to compound a mistake by making another, IE withdrawl from Iraq in the middle of a fight. Obama will flip flop his way into history, and go down as one of theworst presidents ever, right next to Jimmy Carter. Bush, on the other hand will be judged kindly by history as a president who managed the toughest 8 years in modern American history. Remember, Lincoln was also very unpopular.Reciprocity wrote:
Even he admitted to some fuck-ups. It's got nothing to do with convictions, it's about being a human and occasionally having poor judgement and making mistakes.lowing wrote:
Bush stood by his convictions
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lol, thanks for clearing that up.lowing wrote:
Obama will flip flop his way into history, and go down as one of theworst presidents ever, right next to Jimmy Carter. Bush, on the other hand will be judged kindly by history as a president who managed the toughest 8 years in modern American history. Remember, Lincoln was also very unpopular.
I wonder why (nothing against you of course, just observing)lowing wrote:
A lot of people take that attitude.Spark wrote:
Or you could have not voted at all.lowing wrote:
Sadly, what American politics is reduced to, is not who you can vote FOR, rather, who do you have to vote AGAINST.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
you're welcomeReciprocity wrote:
lol, thanks for clearing that up.lowing wrote:
Obama will flip flop his way into history, and go down as one of theworst presidents ever, right next to Jimmy Carter. Bush, on the other hand will be judged kindly by history as a president who managed the toughest 8 years in modern American history. Remember, Lincoln was also very unpopular.
hopelessnessSpark wrote:
I wonder why (nothing against you of course, just observing)lowing wrote:
A lot of people take that attitude.Spark wrote:
Or you could have not voted at all.
If voting was compulsory in America then you would see change.
You would see a fucking riot, yeahTheAussieReaper wrote:
If voting was compulsory in America then you would see change.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman