simple math?Kmarion wrote:
Where did you find that?Reciprocity wrote:
2005 Bush inauguration=$105 per person
2009 Obama inauguration=$66.66 per person
sounds like a good deal.
I would agree. It has more to do with culture.ghettoperson wrote:
Given that black people are still a minority in the States, and so would be at the inauguration, I'd hazard a guess that littering has fuck all to do with your skin colour, and more to do with large groups of people gathering together.Turquoise wrote:
New Orleans is pretty shitty. I doubt many people would disagree with me on that.lowing wrote:
That ain't no shit, can you believe what the fuck they did to the capital? Personally, I love the observation that they could all make it to DC for the inaugeration, but couldn't seem to manage a way out of New Orleans during Katrina, coupled with all of the lame excuses that have offered on this forum for their lack of ability to seek high ground makes that comparison priceless.
As for the trash.... well, if you see what happens to my city during and after Super Jam (a major rap concert).... it's hard not to make certain racist observations.
I'll put it this way. Durham is like NC's version of Compton/Oakland.
As for the inauguration... well, the entitlement crowd has never cared much for cleaning up after themselves (similar to how neocons don't either in terms of budget messes).
Kinda hard to when he is a socialistTheAussieReaper wrote:
His values may be, but he isn't going to support just one side. That's not even possible in politics.Stingray24 wrote:
When his values are completely contrary to ours why should we?TheAussieReaper wrote:
I guess there is no chance lowing will actually support his own President, in anything.
Do you support the troop pull out from Iraq? (just a guess)
There's at least something you'll agree was a good move by Obama. Either now or in the future. It doesn't mean you'll accept him as the Messiah. lol
But lowing won't get past "Socalism" in a President to even accept that.
Where exactly did you get your numbers?Reciprocity wrote:
simple math?Kmarion wrote:
Where did you find that?Reciprocity wrote:
2005 Bush inauguration=$105 per person
2009 Obama inauguration=$66.66 per person
sounds like a good deal.
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Total cost is what matters.
Forecasted paths are often inaccurate. Tampa was directly in the line of fire more than once last year and we never got hit. The cone of uncertainty NEVER goes out a week in advance.lowing wrote:
THe rest of us knew it was coming with over a week notice, how much time do ya really need to get to high ground.Kmarion wrote:
You just said "how is it no one knew it was going to hit". I believe I buried that thought. I also demonstrated the difficulties of actually getting out of town on such short notice.lowing wrote:
It isn't hte people that left we are talking about is it? We are talking about those that couldn't run for high ground but has no problem running for the police
A week in advance is pretty amazing though lowing. Considering the fact it wasn't even a named storm, it wasn't even a tropical depression, and that it didn't even reach the Bahamas until August 23rd (Katrina made LA landfall on the 29th).
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400k for bushy's 2005 party from CNN and washington post article.Kmarion wrote:
Where exactly did you get your numbers?Reciprocity wrote:
simple math?Kmarion wrote:
Where did you find that?
the national park service seems to think 1.8 million where there for Obama's. a 1.14 million turnout for obama would have been the same cost per person as Bush's 2005.
..and you divided this into what number?Reciprocity wrote:
the national park service seems to think 1.8 million where there for Obama's. a 1.14 million turnout for obama would have been the same cost per person as Bush's 2005.
Also consider that was Bush's second term.. not exactly a hoot.
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Ya lost me, I thought we needed to rely on the govt. for our decsion making, yet you say it is often inaccurate? Oh well.Kmarion wrote:
Forecasted paths are often inaccurate. Tampa was directly in the line of fire more than once last year and we never got hit. The cone of uncertainty NEVER goes out a week in advance.lowing wrote:
THe rest of us knew it was coming with over a week notice, how much time do ya really need to get to high ground.Kmarion wrote:
You just said "how is it no one knew it was going to hit". I believe I buried that thought. I also demonstrated the difficulties of actually getting out of town on such short notice.
A week in advance is pretty amazing though lowing. Considering the fact it wasn't even a named storm, it wasn't even a tropical depression, and that it didn't even reach the Bahamas until August 23rd (Katrina made LA landfall on the 29th).
So sue me, it was a week
the $120 million lowing provided.Kmarion wrote:
..and you divided this into what number?
I'm not the one who brought that up.Also consider that was Bush's second term.. not exactly a hoot.
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lowings number is extremely low. I'm surprised that is what was posted considering .. well you know..lol.Reciprocity wrote:
the $120 million lowing provided.Kmarion wrote:
..and you divided this into what number?I'm not the one who brought that up.Also consider that was Bush's second term.. not exactly a hoot.
Brought what up? The price comparison?
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they're his numbers.Kmarion wrote:
lowings number is extremely low. I'm surprised that is what was posted considering .. well you know..lol.
The highest I've seen is $170 million, which still beats the 2005 cost per person.
Oh, I've seen over 180..Reciprocity wrote:
they're his numbers.Kmarion wrote:
lowings number is extremely low. I'm surprised that is what was posted considering .. well you know..lol.
The highest I've seen is $170 million, which still beats the 2005 cost per person.
TBH the cost isn't something that bothers me. Millions wanted to be a part of history no matter party lines. Our inaugurations have been a symbol to the world. For over two hundred years we have been transferring power to other non family members peacefully.
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lol!lowing wrote:
Kinda hard to when he is a socialistTheAussieReaper wrote:
His values may be, but he isn't going to support just one side. That's not even possible in politics.Stingray24 wrote:
When his values are completely contrary to ours why should we?
Do you support the troop pull out from Iraq? (just a guess)
There's at least something you'll agree was a good move by Obama. Either now or in the future. It doesn't mean you'll accept him as the Messiah. lol
But lowing won't get past "Socalism" in a President to even accept that.
See?

See what? He is a socialist, he wants us all dependant on govt. What do you want me to call him, the son of God?TheAussieReaper wrote:
lol!lowing wrote:
Kinda hard to when he is a socialistTheAussieReaper wrote:
His values may be, but he isn't going to support just one side. That's not even possible in politics.
Do you support the troop pull out from Iraq? (just a guess)
There's at least something you'll agree was a good move by Obama. Either now or in the future. It doesn't mean you'll accept him as the Messiah. lol
But lowing won't get past "Socalism" in a President to even accept that.
See?
I agree. He's an evil commie hellbent on destroying America.lowing wrote:
See what? He is a socialist, he wants us all dependant on govt. What do you want me to call him, the son of God?TheAussieReaper wrote:
lol!lowing wrote:
Kinda hard to when he is a socialist
See?
Oh, and he's not white.
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
You can't get past the fact he is left leaning. You've got your anti-socialist goggles clouding your views so badly you'll never recognise anything good Obama has done, or will ever do.lowing wrote:
See what? He is a socialist, he wants us all dependant on govt. What do you want me to call him, the son of God?

I think Obama has appointed more righties than Bush did .TheAussieReaper wrote:
You can't get past the fact he is left leaning. You've got your anti-socialist goggles clouding your views so badly you'll never recognise anything good Obama has done, or will ever do.lowing wrote:
See what? He is a socialist, he wants us all dependant on govt. What do you want me to call him, the son of God?
This is just the latest.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 2Fcongress
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He's only doing that to get a filibuster proof senate.Kmarion wrote:
I think Obama has appointed more righties than Bush did .
This is just the latest.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 2Fcongress
I know.. sneaky bastard.Reciprocity wrote:
He's only doing that to get a filibuster proof senate.Kmarion wrote:
I think Obama has appointed more righties than Bush did .
This is just the latest.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 2Fcongress
The news drew national interest and ignited rampant speculation: If Gregg, a Republican, steps down, that will leave Gov. John Lynch, a Democrat, to appoint a successor, opening the possibility of Democrats attaining a 60-vote supermajority of caucusing members in the U.S. Senate. It also prompted many questions: Would Gregg take it? Who would make Lynch's list? What does a commerce secretary do?
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Yeah, as soon as that happens let me know, by the way, try making it something good for the people that actually EARN a livingTheAussieReaper wrote:
You can't get past the fact he is left leaning. You've got your anti-socialist goggles clouding your views so badly you'll never recognise anything good Obama has done, or will ever do.lowing wrote:
See what? He is a socialist, he wants us all dependant on govt. What do you want me to call him, the son of God?
A week is impossible. It is pretty easy to figure out. Look up anything that has tracks of Katrina. The Storm wasn't even named a week prior. .. you want me to believe that you knew a week before? You are misinformed.lowing wrote:
Ya lost me, I thought we needed to rely on the govt. for our decsion making, yet you say it is often inaccurate? Oh well.Kmarion wrote:
Forecasted paths are often inaccurate. Tampa was directly in the line of fire more than once last year and we never got hit. The cone of uncertainty NEVER goes out a week in advance.lowing wrote:
THe rest of us knew it was coming with over a week notice, how much time do ya really need to get to high ground.
A week in advance is pretty amazing though lowing. Considering the fact it wasn't even a named storm, it wasn't even a tropical depression, and that it didn't even reach the Bahamas until August 23rd (Katrina made LA landfall on the 29th).
So sue me, it was a week
http://flhurricane.com/googlemap.php?2005s12
The 22nd Katrina wasn't even being tracked.
I'm guessing that you are unfamiliar with the probability cone. It's exactly why you don't go losing your mind when the storm is days out. As it gets closer the odd are good enough to make your decision. Further out.. not so much. They tell us not to pay attention to the exact tracking line. There was actually a debate a few years ago as to whether they should include the line in the middle.
I'm going to have to stick with NOAA on this one lowing. I can't afford to pack up everytime a cloud pops up on radar.
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I agree, anyway, so it was 6 days instead of 7, so what, either way, it does not take 6 or 5 or 4 or 3 or 2 or 1 day to get out of a city.Kmarion wrote:
A week is impossible. It is pretty easy to figure out. Look up anything that has tracks of Katrina. The Storm wasn't even named a week prior. .. you want me to believe that you knew a week before? You are misinformed.lowing wrote:
Ya lost me, I thought we needed to rely on the govt. for our decsion making, yet you say it is often inaccurate? Oh well.Kmarion wrote:
Forecasted paths are often inaccurate. Tampa was directly in the line of fire more than once last year and we never got hit. The cone of uncertainty NEVER goes out a week in advance.
A week in advance is pretty amazing though lowing. Considering the fact it wasn't even a named storm, it wasn't even a tropical depression, and that it didn't even reach the Bahamas until August 23rd (Katrina made LA landfall on the 29th).
So sue me, it was a week
http://flhurricane.com/googlemap.php?2005s12
The 22nd Katrina wasn't even being tracked.
I'm guessing that you are unfamiliar with the probability cone. It's exactly why you don't go losing your mind when the storm is days out. As it gets closer the odd are good enough to make your decision. Further out.. not so much. They tell us not to pay attention to the exact tracking line. There was actually a debate a few years ago as to whether they should include the line in the middle.
I'm going to have to stick with NOAA on this one lowing. I can't afford to pack up everytime a cloud pops up on radar.
If you don't have the money to go somewhere else or have the means to, your going to basically say fuck it and try to ride it out.lowing wrote:
I agree, anyway, so it was 6 days instead of 7, so what, either way, it does not take 6 or 5 or 4 or 3 or 2 or 1 day to get out of a city.Kmarion wrote:
A week is impossible. It is pretty easy to figure out. Look up anything that has tracks of Katrina. The Storm wasn't even named a week prior. .. you want me to believe that you knew a week before? You are misinformed.lowing wrote:
Ya lost me, I thought we needed to rely on the govt. for our decsion making, yet you say it is often inaccurate? Oh well.
So sue me, it was a week
http://flhurricane.com/googlemap.php?2005s12
The 22nd Katrina wasn't even being tracked.
I'm guessing that you are unfamiliar with the probability cone. It's exactly why you don't go losing your mind when the storm is days out. As it gets closer the odd are good enough to make your decision. Further out.. not so much. They tell us not to pay attention to the exact tracking line. There was actually a debate a few years ago as to whether they should include the line in the middle.
I'm going to have to stick with NOAA on this one lowing. I can't afford to pack up everytime a cloud pops up on radar.
Even at 6 days it was ridiculous to claim anyone knew it would cut across Fl and hit NO.lowing wrote:
I agree, anyway, so it was 6 days instead of 7, so what, either way, it does not take 6 or 5 or 4 or 3 or 2 or 1 day to get out of a city.Kmarion wrote:
A week is impossible. It is pretty easy to figure out. Look up anything that has tracks of Katrina. The Storm wasn't even named a week prior. .. you want me to believe that you knew a week before? You are misinformed.lowing wrote:
Ya lost me, I thought we needed to rely on the govt. for our decsion making, yet you say it is often inaccurate? Oh well.
So sue me, it was a week
http://flhurricane.com/googlemap.php?2005s12
The 22nd Katrina wasn't even being tracked.
I'm guessing that you are unfamiliar with the probability cone. It's exactly why you don't go losing your mind when the storm is days out. As it gets closer the odd are good enough to make your decision. Further out.. not so much. They tell us not to pay attention to the exact tracking line. There was actually a debate a few years ago as to whether they should include the line in the middle.
I'm going to have to stick with NOAA on this one lowing. I can't afford to pack up everytime a cloud pops up on radar.
You are right in the fact the government wasn't the solution. I'm saying they can be a major help though. Nagin intentionally put off the evac because (what he has never admitted) the strain it would have had on his local economy.
That is all.
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