ATG
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The first rival account is that the crisis reflected failings of U.S. financial regulation. Such failings exist, but most have been around for years.
translation; " we are such fuck ups that we let an idiotic system run riot for years. And now, having no real answer we wish to divert your attention from our own leaders stupidity and find blame, somewhere, anywhere, but here. "
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6709|North Carolina
While I would agree that China is partially to blame, they wouldn't be part of the problem if we weren't stupid enough to borrow so much from them.

Regulatory failings were part of this, but one line in this article is particularly odd -- "State insurance regulators failed to prevent the collapse of AIG."

It's not the duty of government to prevent a private industry from falling.  The market causes some businesses to rise while others fall.  No bailouts are necessary for the market to work as intended.  It's because the Fed Reserve spends so much time manipulating interest rates that the market has come to rely on the wisdom of Fed chairmen when it really should just operate without this institution in place at all.  The worst thing about the Fed Reserve system is that it has shown several times already how unwise much of its leadership has been.  Bernanke is no Greenspan.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
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Turquoise wrote:

Bernanke is no Greenspan.
QFT
ATG
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So what, is he worse?

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    * Julia Finch, with additional reporting by Andrew Clark and David Teather
    * The Guardian, Monday 26 January 2009
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Greenspan Testifies At Senate Hearing On Oil Dependence

Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who backed sub-prime lending. Photograph: Mark Wilson/Getty Images

Alan Greenspan, chairman of US Federal Reserve 1987- 2006
Only a couple of years ago the long-serving chairman of the Fed, a committed free marketeer who had steered the US economy through crises ranging from the 1987 stockmarket collapse through to the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, was lauded with star status, named the "oracle" and "the maestro". Now he is viewed as one of those most culpable for the crisis. He is blamed for allowing the housing bubble to develop as a result of his low interest rates and lack of regulation in mortgage lending. He backed sub-prime lending and urged homebuyers to swap fixed-rate mortgages for variable rate deals, which left borrowers unable to pay when interest rates rose.

For many years, Greenspan also defended the booming derivatives business, which barely existed when he took over the Fed, but which mushroomed from $100tn in 2002 to more than $500tn five years later.

Billionaires George Soros and Warren Buffett might have been extremely worried about these complex products - Soros avoided them because he didn't "really understand how they work" and Buffett famously described them as "financial weapons of mass destruction" - but Greenspan did all he could to protect the market from what he believed was unnecessary regulation. In 2003 he told the Senate banking committee: "Derivatives have been an extraordinarily useful vehicle to transfer risk from those who shouldn't be taking it to those who are willing to and are capable of doing so".

In recent months, however, he has admitted at least some of his long-held beliefs have turned out to be incorrect - not least that free markets would handle the risks involved, that too much regulation would damage Wall Street and that, ultimately, banks would always put the protection of their shareholders first.

He has described the current financial crisis as "the type ... that comes along only once in a century" and last autumn said the fact that the banks had played fast and loose with shareholders' equity had left him "in a state of shocked disbelief".
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
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Hang them
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6709|North Carolina

ATG wrote:

So what, is he worse?
Bernanke is worse than Greenspan, because at least Greenspan had some redeeming moments.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6904|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

ATG wrote:

So what, is he worse?
Bernanke is worse than Greenspan, because at least Greenspan had some redeeming moments.
You mean like when he was criticized the system he helped to create (after he retired)? Give Bernanke a chance, maybe when he exits he will acknowledge how bad he fucked us over.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6709|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

ATG wrote:

So what, is he worse?
Bernanke is worse than Greenspan, because at least Greenspan had some redeeming moments.
You mean like when he was criticized the system he helped to create (after he retired)? Give Bernanke a chance, maybe when he exits he will acknowledge how bad he fucked us over.
Touche...  It is true that Bernanke would have to do a lot of things wrong for the rest of his tenure in order to keep up with Greenspan.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6904|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Bernanke is worse than Greenspan, because at least Greenspan had some redeeming moments.
You mean like when he was criticized the system he helped to create (after he retired)? Give Bernanke a chance, maybe when he exits he will acknowledge how bad he fucked us over.
Touche...  It is true that Bernanke would have to do a lot of things wrong for the rest of his tenure in order to keep up with Greenspan.
He certainly has the potential too. People are ripe for exploitation in times like these.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Macbeth
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Eh good for the Chinese.

Yeah sucks for everyone but the Chinese, but if we were in their position and had done it you can't deny you wouldn't have supported it.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6709|North Carolina

uevjHEYFFQ wrote:

Eh good for the Chinese.

Yeah sucks for everyone but the Chinese, but if we were in their position and had done it you can't deny you wouldn't have supported it.
The Chinese are pretty clever.  Eventually though...  they're going to have some problems when their people start demanding more from their government.
Macbeth
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+2,444|5889

Turquoise wrote:

uevjHEYFFQ wrote:

Eh good for the Chinese.

Yeah sucks for everyone but the Chinese, but if we were in their position and had done it you can't deny you wouldn't have supported it.
The Chinese are pretty clever.  Eventually though...  they're going to have some problems when their people start demanding more from their government.
Pretty old article but I doubt with that current state of the world economy that the situation has gotten any better.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2002/07/18/edchang_ed3_.php

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