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2009-01-27 09:00:26
Mitch
16 more years
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16258.html

—BROADBAND: “As we renew our schools and highways, we’ll also renew our information superhighway. It is unacceptable that the United States ranks 15th in the world in broadband adoption. Here, in the country that invented the Internet, every child should have the chance to get online, and they’ll get that chance when I’m president – because that’s how we’ll strengthen America’s competitiveness in the world.”
Any government tampering with the Internet makes me a little uneasy.

Obama has spoken out before about how he supports net neutrality and keeping the freedom of speech on the internet, which is something i strongly agree with.

However, i would be absolutely car-bomb-into-fed-building-cidal if he then turned and said "With all these children accessing the internet, we need to restrict content we feel is inappropriate" like whats happened in Australia.
15 more years! 15 more years!
2009-01-27 09:01:03
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6804|so randum
he's looking to improve the internet in america and that's a bad thing?

check out france.
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2009-01-27 09:02:50
Mitch
16 more years
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FatherTed wrote:

he's looking to improve the internet in america and that's a bad thing?

check out france.
Improvision is a matter of opinion. Im sure to a lot of people a Government filtered internet would be an improvement.

Sure getting internet to more people is good, but will Obama then see he can control the internet, and fool people into more 'good change'.
15 more years! 15 more years!
2009-01-27 09:04:22
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6804|so randum

Mitch wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

he's looking to improve the internet in america and that's a bad thing?

check out france.
Improvision is a matter of opinion. Im sure to a lot of people a Government filtered internet would be an improvement.

Sure getting internet to more people is good, but will Obama then see he can control the internet, and fool people into more 'good change'.
Do you actually think he's hatching some evil plan revolving around 'good change'

rather be a commie than a headcase, gj
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2009-01-27 09:05:39
liquidat0r
wtf.
+2,223|6931|UK
Off topic: I thought the web was invented by English scientist
2009-01-27 09:06:18
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7039|Salt Lake City

I think he's talking about making it more accessible.  There are a lot of places in this country where broadband isn't even available.  Here in Utah they started the UTOPIA project to do just that because the cable and phone companies were majorly dragging their feet about expanding service areas.
2009-01-27 09:09:06
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6871|NYC / Hamburg

liquidat0r wrote:

Off topic: I thought the web was invented by English scientist
@ CERN IN SWITZERLAND!!!!!!

Pretty much everyone lays claim to inventing the internet and depending on your definition everyone can be right
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
2009-01-27 09:13:18
mikkel
Member
+383|6905

Mitch wrote:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16258.html

—BROADBAND: “As we renew our schools and highways, we’ll also renew our information superhighway. It is unacceptable that the United States ranks 15th in the world in broadband adoption. Here, in the country that invented the Internet, every child should have the chance to get online, and they’ll get that chance when I’m president – because that’s how we’ll strengthen America’s competitiveness in the world.”
Any government tampering with the Internet makes me a little uneasy.
Oh it's been happening for a long time now, and you're right to be uneasy. It's not every day that an industry can steal 200 billion taxpayer dollars, and get away with it without stirring up trouble. The next time you're feeling nickled and dimed by your local telco, you can relax knowing that it's practically nothing compared to the money you've already forked over to these people, and gotten nothing in return for.
2009-01-27 09:29:48
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6829|South Florida

mikkel wrote:

Mitch wrote:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16258.html

—BROADBAND: “As we renew our schools and highways, we’ll also renew our information superhighway. It is unacceptable that the United States ranks 15th in the world in broadband adoption. Here, in the country that invented the Internet, every child should have the chance to get online, and they’ll get that chance when I’m president – because that’s how we’ll strengthen America’s competitiveness in the world.”
Any government tampering with the Internet makes me a little uneasy.
Oh it's been happening for a long time now, and you're right to be uneasy. It's not every day that an industry can steal 200 billion taxpayer dollars, and get away with it without stirring up trouble. The next time you're feeling nickled and dimed by your local telco, you can relax knowing that it's practically nothing compared to the money you've already forked over to these people, and gotten nothing in return for.
I completely didn't get what that dude was talking about in the link you just gave. Seriously, it sounded like he jotted down all the thoughts he had in no sensible order.
15 more years! 15 more years!
2009-01-27 09:34:07
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6790|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)

max wrote:

liquidat0r wrote:

Off topic: I thought the web was invented by English scientist
@ CERN IN SWITZERLAND!!!!!!

Pretty much everyone lays claim to inventing the internet and depending on your definition everyone can be right
Don't be silly you two! The world know Al Gore invented the internet, not some stupid scientist! What do they teach you in schools their.
2009-01-27 10:04:57
mikkel
Member
+383|6905

Mitch wrote:

mikkel wrote:

Mitch wrote:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16258.html


Any government tampering with the Internet makes me a little uneasy.
Oh it's been happening for a long time now, and you're right to be uneasy. It's not every day that an industry can steal 200 billion taxpayer dollars, and get away with it without stirring up trouble. The next time you're feeling nickled and dimed by your local telco, you can relax knowing that it's practically nothing compared to the money you've already forked over to these people, and gotten nothing in return for.
I completely didn't get what that dude was talking about in the link you just gave. Seriously, it sounded like he jotted down all the thoughts he had in no sensible order.
Yeah, I read a much better article on the subject a few years back, but I can't find it.

In short, the telcos have taken approximately $200bn taxpayer money in tax cuts and beneficial legislation in exchange for hooking up the majority of US households with fiber connections at 45/45Mbps throughput with more than 500 IPTV channels offered, all for about $50/month, all by the year 2000. Where's that service now?
2009-01-27 10:12:15
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6924|London, England

max wrote:

liquidat0r wrote:

Off topic: I thought the web was invented by English scientist
@ CERN IN SWITZERLAND!!!!!!

Pretty much everyone lays claim to inventing the internet and depending on your definition everyone can be right
Hell I'm sure like everything else if you look up the history of the internet you'll be directed towards some ancient civilisation where a crude but distinctively similar analogy of the internet is given using said ancient means


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Anyway on topic, I don't get the topic. It talks about making the broadband more accessible and shit, and improving the infrastructure for internets, and then you're all like "I don't want the government tampering with my internets like in Australia" - I mean, honestly, I can't see how you've gone from improving infrastructure to "government tampering with my internet"

I guess you could say higher broadband penetration/more people connected = government wanting stricter controls, but I doubt it. Not in a place like the USA, it didn't even happen during the terrorist-ultra-fear that gripped the US for a long time
2009-01-27 10:17:32
oug
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2009-01-27 10:29:19
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6829|South Florida

Mekstizzle wrote:

max wrote:

liquidat0r wrote:

Off topic: I thought the web was invented by English scientist
@ CERN IN SWITZERLAND!!!!!!

Pretty much everyone lays claim to inventing the internet and depending on your definition everyone can be right
Hell I'm sure like everything else if you look up the history of the internet you'll be directed towards some ancient civilisation where a crude but distinctively similar analogy of the internet is given using said ancient means


---

Anyway on topic, I don't get the topic. It talks about making the broadband more accessible and shit, and improving the infrastructure for internets, and then you're all like "I don't want the government tampering with my internets like in Australia" - I mean, honestly, I can't see how you've gone from improving infrastructure to "government tampering with my internet"

I guess you could say higher broadband penetration/more people connected = government wanting stricter controls, but I doubt it. Not in a place like the USA, it didn't even happen during the terrorist-ultra-fear that gripped the US for a long time
Right but now Obama is in charge.
As far as i know, the government has left internet control up to the ISP's correct? The ISP's determine where and when they plant wires, how much bandwidth you get, ect ect.

What im saying is, the government is a controlfreak, and when Obama takes it into his own hands to decide where to put the internet, he may also think its up to him to control the websites, filtering, and content also.

Where its placed may just be the first step.
15 more years! 15 more years!
2009-01-27 10:56:59
henno13
A generally unremarkable member
+230|6652|Belfast

max wrote:

liquidat0r wrote:

Off topic: I thought the web was invented by English scientist
@ CERN IN SWITZERLAND!!!!!!

Pretty much everyone lays claim to inventing the internet and depending on your definition everyone can be right
Wasnt an early version of the internet created and used used by the DOD in the Pentagon or something?
2009-01-27 10:58:21
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7020

henno13 wrote:

max wrote:

liquidat0r wrote:

Off topic: I thought the web was invented by English scientist
@ CERN IN SWITZERLAND!!!!!!

Pretty much everyone lays claim to inventing the internet and depending on your definition everyone can be right
Wasnt an early version of the internet created and used used by the DOD in the Pentagon or something?
ARPANET or some shit along the lines. Was built so it wasn't centralized so an EMP bomb/ Nuke won't wipe out central command and missiles could be fired elsewhere. It was developed in NORAD I believe.
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2009-01-27 11:16:21
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,984|6935|949

mikkel wrote:

Yeah, I read a much better article on the subject a few years back, but I can't find it.

In short, the telcos have taken approximately $200bn taxpayer money in tax cuts and beneficial legislation in exchange for hooking up the majority of US households with fiber connections at 45/45Mbps throughput with more than 500 IPTV channels offered, all for about $50/month, all by the year 2000. Where's that service now?
I read the original article you linked and couldn't find anything stating that those companies received taxpayer dollars.  Tax cuts don't equal taxpayers paying money, nor does beneficial legislation regarding company mergers.  If you know more about this I am very interested.  From what I read it seems the Telcos promised upgraded services for lax regulation and in some cases total deregulation, but it seems like the $200 billion figure comes from fees the Telcos themselves "overcharged" customers.
2009-01-27 11:24:52
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6833|Global Command

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

mikkel wrote:

Yeah, I read a much better article on the subject a few years back, but I can't find it.

In short, the telcos have taken approximately $200bn taxpayer money in tax cuts and beneficial legislation in exchange for hooking up the majority of US households with fiber connections at 45/45Mbps throughput with more than 500 IPTV channels offered, all for about $50/month, all by the year 2000. Where's that service now?
I read the original article you linked and couldn't find anything stating that those companies received taxpayer dollars.  Tax cuts don't equal taxpayers paying money, nor does beneficial legislation regarding company mergers.  If you know more about this I am very interested.  From what I read it seems the Telcos promised upgraded services for lax regulation and in some cases total deregulation, but it seems like the $200 billion figure comes from fees the Telcos themselves "overcharged" customers.
When beneficial legislation regarding company mergers equals millions of outsourced jobs and a phony economy it cost tax payers money. See bailout for i.e.
2009-01-27 11:43:47
mikkel
Member
+383|6905

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

mikkel wrote:

Yeah, I read a much better article on the subject a few years back, but I can't find it.

In short, the telcos have taken approximately $200bn taxpayer money in tax cuts and beneficial legislation in exchange for hooking up the majority of US households with fiber connections at 45/45Mbps throughput with more than 500 IPTV channels offered, all for about $50/month, all by the year 2000. Where's that service now?
I read the original article you linked and couldn't find anything stating that those companies received taxpayer dollars.  Tax cuts don't equal taxpayers paying money, nor does beneficial legislation regarding company mergers.  If you know more about this I am very interested.  From what I read it seems the Telcos promised upgraded services for lax regulation and in some cases total deregulation, but it seems like the $200 billion figure comes from fees the Telcos themselves "overcharged" customers.
If you need X and Y to fund something, and the Y suddenly has to pay substantially less in exchange for supplying X with a service, X subsequently needs to either supply more towards the funding, or settle for less. If X never received the promised service, then Y could easily be said to have taken X's money.

Semantics aside, the outcome is roughly the same. The telcos benefit, and the taxpayers do not.

Last edited by mikkel (2009-01-27 11:45:05)

2009-01-27 12:10:04
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|6005|College Park, MD

Cybargs wrote:

henno13 wrote:

max wrote:


@ CERN IN SWITZERLAND!!!!!!

Pretty much everyone lays claim to inventing the internet and depending on your definition everyone can be right
Wasnt an early version of the internet created and used used by the DOD in the Pentagon or something?
ARPANET or some shit along the lines. Was built so it wasn't centralized so an EMP bomb/ Nuke won't wipe out central command and missiles could be fired elsewhere. It was developed in NORAD I believe.
The US created ARPANET, which was the basis for the World Wide Web which was crafted by CERN.

Anyway, if the government wants to help us get 50Mbps internet for $30/month like those fuckers in Korea and Sweden then let them.
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2009-01-27 12:30:33
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,984|6935|949

mikkel wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

mikkel wrote:

Yeah, I read a much better article on the subject a few years back, but I can't find it.

In short, the telcos have taken approximately $200bn taxpayer money in tax cuts and beneficial legislation in exchange for hooking up the majority of US households with fiber connections at 45/45Mbps throughput with more than 500 IPTV channels offered, all for about $50/month, all by the year 2000. Where's that service now?
I read the original article you linked and couldn't find anything stating that those companies received taxpayer dollars.  Tax cuts don't equal taxpayers paying money, nor does beneficial legislation regarding company mergers.  If you know more about this I am very interested.  From what I read it seems the Telcos promised upgraded services for lax regulation and in some cases total deregulation, but it seems like the $200 billion figure comes from fees the Telcos themselves "overcharged" customers.
If you need X and Y to fund something, and the Y suddenly has to pay substantially less in exchange for supplying X with a service, X subsequently needs to either supply more towards the funding, or settle for less. If X never received the promised service, then Y could easily be said to have taken X's money.

Semantics aside, the outcome is roughly the same. The telcos benefit, and the taxpayers do not.
You mean the customers, not taxpayers.  We didn't pay taxes for this to come to fruition, we supposedly paid higher fees to the telcos.
2009-01-27 12:41:10
Aries_37
arrivederci frog
+368|6878|London
Like has been said already, I don't see how improving the internet infrastructure is going to increase the likelihood of censorship. You can still access dodgy stuff on a slow connection...

Now we just need something similar over here. The UK has the shittest internet of the modern world because we still use copper phone wires
2009-01-27 13:06:38
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7039|Salt Lake City

Aries_37 wrote:

Like has been said already, I don't see how improving the internet infrastructure is going to increase the likelihood of censorship. You can still access dodgy stuff on a slow connection...

Now we just need something similar over here. The UK has the shittest internet of the modern world because we still use copper phone wires
Well, then you really aren't that bad off.  Most broadband subscribers in the US also use copper phone lines for DSL and coax for cable.
2009-01-27 13:17:26
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6833|Global Command
Fairness docturine for the internets tbh under O

4 1 post sane i have to make on wacky one.
2009-01-27 18:09:47
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5889

Uh if everyone was able to get their hands on affordable or free broadband wouldn't that mean the death of the music and movie industry since more people would have the ability to download music and movies for free?

 

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