uevjHEYFFQ (whatever that name means), he is from Espoo, Finland.
Dude, naming your child Adolf Hitler=setting the child up for a lifetime of being bullied and probably ruining the life in general.Stingray24 wrote:
We still have freedom of speech in this nation, including naming one's children. I don't agree w/ the parents white supremacist views, but that doesn't mean I will automatically support their children being seized. If it's found that the children were abused in the home or neglected, then I'm all for the government stepping in. Would you like the government to yank your kids away if you name them something goofy and socially unacceptable?Gawwad wrote:
Exactly. As much as I'm against hitting children, this kind IMO is much worse abuse.usmarine wrote:
child abuse. what they did is abuse.Stingray24 wrote:
I would like to know why the kids were removed. As distasteful as their views are, the parents don't deserve to lose their kids to the government simply because of their opinions.Are you serious? Do you think for one second what kind of parents would name their children like that?Stingray24 wrote:
We may hate the man they named their child after, but that doesn't equal child abuse.
The parents are most likely well aware that naming him Adolf Hitler will result in him having one of the worst lives.
Naming your child after a famous actor/motorcycle is one minor thing that will hardly have an affect on someones life but naming them after a vicious dictator who killed millions of innocent people and hated world wide by most people will mess up a child's life.
In my 12 years in the public school system I can't remember anyone ever being bullied just because of their name. He could always change his name later in life.12/f/taiwan wrote:
Dude, naming your child Adolf Hitler=setting the child up for a lifetime of being bullied and probably ruining the life in general.Stingray24 wrote:
We still have freedom of speech in this nation, including naming one's children. I don't agree w/ the parents white supremacist views, but that doesn't mean I will automatically support their children being seized. If it's found that the children were abused in the home or neglected, then I'm all for the government stepping in. Would you like the government to yank your kids away if you name them something goofy and socially unacceptable?Gawwad wrote:
Exactly. As much as I'm against hitting children, this kind IMO is much worse abuse.usmarine wrote:
child abuse. what they did is abuse.Stingray24 wrote:
I would like to know why the kids were removed. As distasteful as their views are, the parents don't deserve to lose their kids to the government simply because of their opinions.
Are you serious? Do you think for one second what kind of parents would name their children like that?
The parents are most likely well aware that naming him Adolf Hitler will result in him having one of the worst lives.
Naming your child after a famous actor/motorcycle is one minor thing that will hardly have an affect on someones life but naming them after a vicious dictator who killed millions of innocent people and hated world wide by most people will mess up a child's life.
But this whole situation is stupid. Poor choice of a name of the child by the parents. Stupid moral crusaders getting offended over a child's damn name and then choosing to go after his family by having him removed.
I really wish we all could just leave each other alone.
You don't actually think people wouldn't say anything if your name was ADOLF HITTLER?uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
In my 12 years in the public school system I can't remember anyone ever being bullied just because of their name. He could always change his name later in life.12/f/taiwan wrote:
Dude, naming your child Adolf Hitler=setting the child up for a lifetime of being bullied and probably ruining the life in general.Stingray24 wrote:
We still have freedom of speech in this nation, including naming one's children. I don't agree w/ the parents white supremacist views, but that doesn't mean I will automatically support their children being seized. If it's found that the children were abused in the home or neglected, then I'm all for the government stepping in. Would you like the government to yank your kids away if you name them something goofy and socially unacceptable?
The parents are most likely well aware that naming him Adolf Hitler will result in him having one of the worst lives.
Naming your child after a famous actor/motorcycle is one minor thing that will hardly have an affect on someones life but naming them after a vicious dictator who killed millions of innocent people and hated world wide by most people will mess up a child's life.
But this whole situation is stupid. Poor choice of a name of the child by the parents. Stupid moral crusaders getting offended over a child's damn name and then choosing to go after his family by having him removed.
I really wish we all could just leave each other alone.
They would. I'm saying it's stupid. It's a name. Words meant to make identifying you easier. It's so damn pointless to get pissy over the name of a kid then to fuck over the kid because of his name something he didn't have control over.Gawwad wrote:
You don't actually think people wouldn't say anything if your name was ADOLF HITTLER?uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
In my 12 years in the public school system I can't remember anyone ever being bullied just because of their name. He could always change his name later in life.12/f/taiwan wrote:
Dude, naming your child Adolf Hitler=setting the child up for a lifetime of being bullied and probably ruining the life in general.
The parents are most likely well aware that naming him Adolf Hitler will result in him having one of the worst lives.
Naming your child after a famous actor/motorcycle is one minor thing that will hardly have an affect on someones life but naming them after a vicious dictator who killed millions of innocent people and hated world wide by most people will mess up a child's life.
But this whole situation is stupid. Poor choice of a name of the child by the parents. Stupid moral crusaders getting offended over a child's damn name and then choosing to go after his family by having him removed.
I really wish we all could just leave each other alone.
Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini are all bad ideas for names, but Hirohito kinda has a nice ring to it.
Get real.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
They would. I'm saying it's stupid. It's a name. Words meant to make identifying you easier. It's so damn pointless to get pissy over the name of a kid then to fuck over the kid because of his name something he didn't have control over.Gawwad wrote:
You don't actually think people wouldn't say anything if your name was ADOLF HITTLER?uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
In my 12 years in the public school system I can't remember anyone ever being bullied just because of their name. He could always change his name later in life.
But this whole situation is stupid. Poor choice of a name of the child by the parents. Stupid moral crusaders getting offended over a child's damn name and then choosing to go after his family by having him removed.
I really wish we all could just leave each other alone.
It was under my impression that everyone would have a huge thing against one of the world most hated leader...Why would me being Swedish have to have anything with it?uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
I never said they didn't have bad thoughts. Though I really don't believe there is a clear good and bad to anything. Their views are there own and don't affect me or anyone else. Further more they could be full blown Nazi's who role play in their house using Nazi uniforms and equipment. I really don't care.
What I said was that they are probably going to cite some obscure law then twist it to some way they could remove these children from the home. This wouldn't be happening or would have gained any attention if it wasn't for the child's name.
But your Swedish so I'm sure you probably have some sort of predisposition towards Nazi's or anything remotely related to them. <- Look I can do that to
So I'm Swedish and an atheist but the thing Hitler did was downright evil. Most people will agree with me right away. Those who don't probably hate Jews and love Nazis.
But yes, if they kept it a secret it would probably be hidden for a bit longer. When the kids enter school or high school I'm betting my ass SOMEONE would take it up with the state. A name like that WILL cause a problem for the guy. Specially when the house is full of nazi symbols.
Funny thing you should bring that up.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
In my 12 years in the public school system I can't remember anyone ever being bullied just because of their name. He could always change his name later in life.
But this whole situation is stupid. Poor choice of a name of the child by the parents. Stupid moral crusaders getting offended over a child's damn name and then choosing to go after his family by having him removed.
I really wish we all could just leave each other alone.
Being in a Swedish school with a Finnish last name I and my twin brother got bullied for it. Because it sounded funny. It kept happening to like the 6-7 grade when the main guys stopped. Then some other just called us other names. So weird names will get you bullied. The fact that they only went on the name hinted that it was due to the name. In the 8 to 9 grade they pretty much stopped and some of them said that they where sorry. The other just stopped. Since then they got kinda nice.
Being the guys we where we just took it and ignored them as much as possible.
But having Adolf Hitler would cause the guy to hear loads of bad jokes about him being the next Hitler. There would be no end to it. Teachers probably would think it would be a joke too at the first time. A bad one at that time to.
Btw there names you actually can't give to your kids. In Sweden there have been names that parents wanted to give their kids but the State I suppose or the authorities didn't agree with them. Mainly because the name was downright wrong.
I'm sure there are names in USA that have been rejected when the state found out about it.
Also while I too want to know why the kid was taken away they stated that they can not give out information about it as it goes against the laws.
In the US we only reject names that would get bleeped on TV, but People need to use some common sense when naming their kids. The term Adolf Hitler immediately brings to mind images of genocide and warfare, not exactly the first impression you want to make, and not a name anyone in the world would ever want to hire, if for nothing else than the negative branding issues of hiring Hitler.
I'm just glad that those parents won't have the oppourtunity to bring another generation of hate filled bigots into America, there is simply no place for racism in the 21st century.
I'm just glad that those parents won't have the oppourtunity to bring another generation of hate filled bigots into America, there is simply no place for racism in the 21st century.
I'm actually really supriced that the name went through with out questions. There's no way you could name your kid like that here.
The Swedish part was an attempt at saying because your so close to Germany and how the Germans waged war on everyone you have some type of biased against them totally. It was a stupid thing to say or try to pull. I admit that.Zefar wrote:
It was under my impression that everyone would have a huge thing against one of the world most hated leader...Why would me being Swedish have to have anything with it?uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
I never said they didn't have bad thoughts. Though I really don't believe there is a clear good and bad to anything. Their views are there own and don't affect me or anyone else. Further more they could be full blown Nazi's who role play in their house using Nazi uniforms and equipment. I really don't care.
What I said was that they are probably going to cite some obscure law then twist it to some way they could remove these children from the home. This wouldn't be happening or would have gained any attention if it wasn't for the child's name.
But your Swedish so I'm sure you probably have some sort of predisposition towards Nazi's or anything remotely related to them. <- Look I can do that to
So I'm Swedish and an atheist but the thing Hitler did was downright evil. Most people will agree with me right away. Those who don't probably hate Jews and love Nazis.
But yes, if they kept it a secret it would probably be hidden for a bit longer. When the kids enter school or high school I'm betting my ass SOMEONE would take it up with the state. A name like that WILL cause a problem for the guy. Specially when the house is full of nazi symbols
I really don't have any strong feelings either way for anything that happened during World War 2. It was a interesting period but that is it to me. Also before anyone says I hate Jews, my first girlfriend was Jewish and before anyone calls me a Nazi, I'm not even white.
Mind you there are many cultural differences between where you live and where he lives. I grew up in urban New Jersey nobody screwed with each other over names. Our schools were pretty diverse. Plenty of funny names. Nobody cared though.Zefar wrote:
Funny thing you should bring that up.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
In my 12 years in the public school system I can't remember anyone ever being bullied just because of their name. He could always change his name later in life.
But this whole situation is stupid. Poor choice of a name of the child by the parents. Stupid moral crusaders getting offended over a child's damn name and then choosing to go after his family by having him removed.
I really wish we all could just leave each other alone.
Being in a Swedish school with a Finnish last name I and my twin brother got bullied for it. Because it sounded funny. It kept happening to like the 6-7 grade when the main guys stopped. Then some other just called us other names. So weird names will get you bullied. The fact that they only went on the name hinted that it was due to the name. In the 8 to 9 grade they pretty much stopped and some of them said that they where sorry. The other just stopped. Since then they got kinda nice.
Being the guys we where we just took it and ignored them as much as possible.
But having Adolf Hitler would cause the guy to hear loads of bad jokes about him being the next Hitler. There would be no end to it. Teachers probably would think it would be a joke too at the first time. A bad one at that time to.
Btw there names you actually can't give to your kids. In Sweden there have been names that parents wanted to give their kids but the State I suppose or the authorities didn't agree with them. Mainly because the name was downright wrong.
I'm sure there are names in USA that have been rejected when the state found out about it.
Also while I too want to know why the kid was taken away they stated that they can not give out information about it as it goes against the laws.
In my high school people were pretty tolerant to others views on things even race. By the time he gets of age to go to high school people will be even more tolerant of others.
Now the place he lives Holland Township, New Jersey is in west new jersey. Pretty Rural area. According to wikipedia the 2000 census said the place only had 5,124 people. Of the people there 98.09% are white. I know that was 9 years ago but I still think he won't have to worry about other races out for his blood. Especially since the other major races were not nearly wiped out by Nazi's.
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For those of you saying "he will never be able to get a job":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_change#United_States
A court might not be keen on you changing your name from "John Doe" to "Psycho Sexy", but they won't have a problem with you changing it from "Adolf Hitler" to "John Doe"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_change#United_States
A court might not be keen on you changing your name from "John Doe" to "Psycho Sexy", but they won't have a problem with you changing it from "Adolf Hitler" to "John Doe"
Adolf Hittler isn't a funny name. Everyone assosiates it with the nazi leader.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
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Great job just totally disregarding everything I said. I didn't ever say it was funny. But unless you can come up with something to refute everything I said I'm going to withdraw from this discussion.Gawwad wrote:
Adolf Hittler isn't a funny name. Everyone assosiates it with the nazi leader.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
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I only commented the part where you said "Mind you there are many cultural differences between where you live and where he lives. I grew up in urban New Jersey nobody screwed with each other over names. Our schools were pretty diverse. Plenty of funny names. Nobody cared though."uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
Great job just totally disregarding everything I said. I didn't ever say it was funny. But unless you can come up with something to refute everything I said I'm going to withdraw from this discussion.Gawwad wrote:
Adolf Hittler isn't a funny name. Everyone assosiates it with the nazi leader.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
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Could have quoted better...
Didn't say Adolf Hitler was a funny name. I said that there were many names that people would find funny.Gawwad wrote:
I only commented the part where you said "Mind you there are many cultural differences between where you live and where he lives. I grew up in urban New Jersey nobody screwed with each other over names. Our schools were pretty diverse. Plenty of funny names. Nobody cared though."uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
Great job just totally disregarding everything I said. I didn't ever say it was funny. But unless you can come up with something to refute everything I said I'm going to withdraw from this discussion.Gawwad wrote:
Adolf Hittler isn't a funny name. Everyone assosiates it with the nazi leader.
Could have quoted better...
Only if You are an anime fan I think.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini are all bad ideas for names, but Hirohito kinda has a nice ring to it.
Funny how the people of the world have allowed these nutcases to kill over 300 million people. Thankfully the americans war effort put a stop to those unhumans beasts.
Do you have any understanding of history - at all?Freke wrote:
Funny how the people of the world have allowed these nutcases to kill over 300 million people. Thankfully the americans war effort put a stop to those unhumans beasts.
Fuck Israel
So why are you defending the naming then? (or that the children should have been left with those awesome parents.)uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
Didn't say Adolf Hitler was a funny name. I said that there were many names that people would find funny.Gawwad wrote:
I only commented the part where you said "Mind you there are many cultural differences between where you live and where he lives. I grew up in urban New Jersey nobody screwed with each other over names. Our schools were pretty diverse. Plenty of funny names. Nobody cared though."uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
Great job just totally disregarding everything I said. I didn't ever say it was funny. But unless you can come up with something to refute everything I said I'm going to withdraw from this discussion.
Could have quoted better...
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What did I get wrong? Hitler killed millions by starting a war and not one picked up a sniper rifle and took a shot. Same with those wackos Stalin, Pol Pot, Mussolini, Sadam Hussein and a lot of others. That's how people die/nations go under/torture happend- because of mentally ill wackos who take power. Don't You agree? John Doe is a sheep most of the time. It's crazy IMO.Dilbert_X wrote:
Do you have any understanding of history - at all?
While I supported the government's actions in the case of the FLDS, I would say this is entirely different.Stingray24 wrote:
I would like to know why the kids were removed. As distasteful as their views are, the parents don't deserve to lose their kids to the government simply because of their opinions. But hey, the government yanked all the kids away from their parents in that religious compound. Apparently if the government can smear you as a weirdo, the public is willing to turn a blind eye to blatant civil rights violations.
These parents didn't separate their children in a compound. They just named their kid a really bad name.
I'll put it this way. I really hope this kid was removed for something other than a name, because if not, this was a pretty dumb move.
The irony of this is that the state acted in a way that was Nazi-like in its own way.
I think it's already an unofficial given that parents who would subject a kid to such a name wouldn't be very supportive over the course of his life.
It's the kid's childhood; he can shoot his parents later is he likes.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
Wouldn't be suprised if the state cooks up some bullshit reason to remove the kids. It's their child they made it they can name it whatever they like. When you start doing things like this (punishing people for their views and thoughts using obscure laws) things could go pretty badly in the long run.Zefar wrote:
um They didn't take the kid because of the name but how they raised the kid. The state can remove a kid due to his name alone. So there was something else that got the kid taken.
"""A spokeswoman for the state Division of Youth and Family Services, Kate Bernyk, said she would not comment on any specific case, but she said the state would not remove children from a home simply because of their names."""
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I'm so happy for the kid that the state is in power instead of people like you.Turquoise wrote:
While I supported the government's actions in the case of the FLDS, I would say this is entirely different.Stingray24 wrote:
I would like to know why the kids were removed. As distasteful as their views are, the parents don't deserve to lose their kids to the government simply because of their opinions. But hey, the government yanked all the kids away from their parents in that religious compound. Apparently if the government can smear you as a weirdo, the public is willing to turn a blind eye to blatant civil rights violations.
These parents didn't separate their children in a compound. They just named their kid a really bad name.
I'll put it this way. I really hope this kid was removed for something other than a name, because if not, this was a pretty dumb move.
The irony of this is that the state acted in a way that was Nazi-like in its own way.
Don't call a child 'it'. A child is not a toy of the parents. It's a fucking human being and this is what you seem to be missing.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
Wouldn't be suprised if the state cooks up some bullshit reason to remove the kids. It's their child they made it they can name it whatever they like. When you start doing things like this (punishing people for their views and thoughts using obscure laws) things could go pretty badly in the long run.Zefar wrote:
um They didn't take the kid because of the name but how they raised the kid. The state can remove a kid due to his name alone. So there was something else that got the kid taken.
"""A spokeswoman for the state Division of Youth and Family Services, Kate Bernyk, said she would not comment on any specific case, but she said the state would not remove children from a home simply because of their names."""
Only after 'it's' born (but I won't get into abortion here...oops, just did).Gawwad wrote:
Don't call a child 'it'. A child is not a toy of the parents. It's a fucking human being and this is what you seem to be missing.
More to the point, I think 'it' is more of an affectation brought about by people being too afraid to appear politically-incorrect by using 'he' or appearing to be too politically-correct by using 'she,' so it's a problem with contemporary English. In uev's case, it might be more of a lack of respect for child rights. I'd rather be called 'dickhead' if I was still a gradeschooler than tote around the onus of 'Adolf Hitler' all the time. That's just not fair.
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