BF2S Forums Europe decides, U.S.A. has gone far enough !

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herrr_smity wrote:

Norseman wrote:

Using How To Make War 4th edition, I've determined the following:

*The US navy will flat-out own the current combined European navy.
*The combined land forces of all European nations would be just a little bit weaker than our army. Factor in the defender advantage and we've got 3:1 odds against them.

Given the naval superiority, Europe would need to devote a good portion of its GDP to building up navies before they could invade the US. This would take a few years, probably. During that time, the US could be building up its own navy and assembling land forces and militia fallbacks.

So pretty much, no. Even if all of Europe got involved, they wouldn't be able to take on the US at this time, and the time it would take for them to get here would practically preclude any chance of success. The only hope of European victory would be if the US got involved in a civil war beforehand and all of the ships were denied safe harbor.

lol

or europe can say : All people who have european blood come back to the motherland and the US would be empty before we need to invade.

thats pretty retarded right there

Nah we brits have the best navy because you leased your ports to the UAE which are monitered by a UK firm, we would just turn your navy off but ours would still be working (lol don't take this too seriously it probably wouldn't work that easily). I was just wondering what could we possibly gain from making war on the US anyway?

Thats pretty good ..

Great just what we need another article probably written by some lazy, ignorant, shallow European or Canadian. Let me guess writing this while at work instead of doing your job? Any country (Including a united Europe) cannot defeat the US. The distance to travel from Europe to North America is around 3,000 miles (From England) right? It would take some time for the ships and aircraft to arrive here, in that time they would be destroyed by US naval ships and aircraft.

If they got to US soil they would be wiped out by the Army, Marines, and Air Force. Not to mention me, the rednecks, the gangbangers, and every other red blooded American would be armed to the teeth with every weapon imaginable civilian weapons (Personal weapons and hunting weapons) and including military grade weapons (able to own if you have a gun collectors license, or owned illegally) would tear apart anyone that comes here packing. Don't so easily forget that we defeated the English when we were their colony.

I know many will say but the French, yea they helped but we did the majority of the work. Sorry Europe your weapons and special forces aren't as great as you think, even if they were the pure hate felt by every American for you trying to conquer our country would be enough to destroy your best. You can throw stats and anything you want against my statement but American weapons are just as good, probably even better than whatever you got. You forget that whatever weapon system that we have that you are criticizing is probably being upgraded or even replaced as we speak. We also put more money towards the training, equipment, and R&D.

Now let’s get to the economy part, we are an important part of the world economy if anything happens to us it will affect everyone so case closed. So go ahead and put an embargo on us, it will come and bit you in the ass in no time. As for going back to the motherland, I am home already. My great grand parents long ago severed their ties with Europe because it sucked, I am never going back.

The best Europe could hope for in a war with us is a stalemate. It probably would never even get that far because the European people and nations are too scared and/or too lazy to go to war with the US. So in closing Europe needs to stop labeling every citizen in the US because they don't like Bush or our Foreign Policy, our Foreign Policy is what is best for us not what is best for you. Don't say it's not right because if I do enough digging I could probably find information that says you did things like this in the past or even present. One day Europe might need our help again and instead of saying "Sure thing" we should say "What are we going to get in return".

It's never going to happen, its a pointless war and nothing would be accomplished.

If the US was cut off from middle-eastern oil, our military would still function.  The Alaskan pipeline is designated to supply the military in time of war.

"you cant keep bombing people because of a non existant threat"---NONEXISTANT?!?!?!  What do you call 9/11 or Madrid or London or a host of other terror attacks?

Meh, people are getting tired of dealing with Arabs. In 10-20 years hydrogen will become mainstream and that will end our need for the middle east.

Renegade2k9 wrote:

Great just what we need another article probably written by some lazy, ignorant, shallow European or Canadian. Let me guess writing this while at work instead of doing your job? Any country (Including a united Europe) cannot defeat the US. The distance to travel from Europe to North America is around 3,000 miles (From England) right? It would take some time for the ships and aircraft to arrive here, in that time they would be destroyed by US naval ships and aircraft.

If they got to US soil they would be wiped out by the Army, Marines, and Air Force. Not to mention me, the rednecks, the gangbangers, and every other red blooded American would be armed to the teeth with every weapon imaginable civilian weapons (Personal weapons and hunting weapons) and including military grade weapons (able to own if you have a gun collectors license, or owned illegally) would tear apart anyone that comes here packing. Don't so easily forget that we defeated the English when we were their colony.

I know many will say but the French, yea they helped but we did the majority of the work. Sorry Europe your weapons and special forces aren't as great as you think, even if they were the pure hate felt by every American for you trying to conquer our country would be enough to destroy your best. You can throw stats and anything you want against my statement but American weapons are just as good, probably even better than whatever you got. You forget that whatever weapon system that we have that you are criticizing is probably being upgraded or even replaced as we speak. We also put more money towards the training, equipment, and R&D.

Now let’s get to the economy part, we are an important part of the world economy if anything happens to us it will affect everyone so case closed. So go ahead and put an embargo on us, it will come and bit you in the ass in no time. As for going back to the motherland, I am home already. My great grand parents long ago severed their ties with Europe because it sucked, I am never going back.

The best Europe could hope for in a war with us is a stalemate. It probably would never even get that far because the European people and nations are too scared and/or too lazy to go to war with the US. So in closing Europe needs to stop labeling every citizen in the US because they don't like Bush or our Foreign Policy, our Foreign Policy is what is best for us not what is best for you. Don't say it's not right because if I do enough digging I could probably find information that says you did things like this in the past or even present. One day Europe might need our help again and instead of saying "Sure thing" we should say "What are we going to get in return".

but don't you think, Renegade, that this works both ways ? Maybe Europe wouldn't be able to win a military conflict with the US, but the same is true the other way round, I'd say...

me wrote:

there is no need to discuss the possible military outcome of a future world war. No country in the world today has the capabilities to project their military forces over more than let's say a couple of third-world countries.

I will agree that the US has the largest Navy and best supply/transport capabilities of all nations, but they would still not be able to supply and transport them all in a truly global conflict. Some will argue that the WoT is a global conflict, but that is not true from a military PoV. The US is only actively engaged in a limited number of countries ( namely Iraq and Afghanistan ). By "actively engaged" I mean considerably numbers of troops on all levels, including heavy equipment. The WoT may be a global conflict from a anti-terrorism PoV, but it is a regionally limited conflict from a military PoV.

The US military is very stretched right now, and I have my doubts they would be able to handle a lot more regional conflicts. even Iran might be just too much.

From a logistics PoV, a conventional war with truly global dimensions is not winnable for either side.

Furthermore, the economic ties between the nations are just to strong. Peace through economics. That's what globalization will do for you.

It is more likely that the superpowers will continue to engage in regional conflicts to ensure access to important energy resources such as oil and gas.

This could spark more conflicts between the different cultures ( the "West" and "the Muslim world" ), but since there is no unity among the muslim nations and since they don't have considerable military strength, there is little reason for concern ( 30 minutes until xanthpi disagrees.. )

coldtoast wrote:

you cant solve problems with terrorism by bombing countries, it makes more people into terrorists. Have to get to the source of the problem. Hearts and minds- to be honest i dont know what the solution is - or even if there is one , but bombing innocent people isnt one of them. non existant threat being phantom weapons of mass destruction which were the reason for the invasion. weapons that iran may well be making or not, eggs in the wrong basket? who knows.........

If you bomb long enough they all die and there is less of them and the ones that are left just live in a bombed out shit hole with nothing.  This in turn makes them all immigrate to liberal countries in Europe to destroy their cultures and society.  Look at France, soon the infidels in France will be killed by an invasion from the inside, America can just sit back and watch because it has no enemy to defend France from because they will all be French citizens.  Viva La Islam!!!!!!

Please note, I do not hate the French, Just their leaders and media.  I hope France becomes more conservative and does not continue down its path of socialism, same with the U.S.......

but don't you think, Renegade, that this works both ways ? Maybe Europe wouldn't be able to win a military conflict with the US, but the same is true the other way round, I'd say...

Absolutely, Europe is too big to be conquered by one nation. Not to mention Europe has fairly advanced weapons only seconded by us.

Lets Kill All The Fucking Pepole We Dont Like.
Die Mr Muslim I Hate You Eat Shit Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

How about we start with whitey the blue eyed devil honky mofo?

Wait, I digress, that's me.