steelie34
pub hero!
+603|6685|the land of bourbon
if anyone deserves it, this guy does.  i mean, how hard would it have been to leave the baby at a hospital?  people like this are a disease on the human race.

The father of 6-month-old Ania Duncan told police where they could find his daughter's dead body during questioning, Deputy Chief Ed Tomba said Thursday.

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JAyThaRevo
Member
+31|6591|Austria
for me it doesnt matter how serious the crime was

i just think that its not in our power to kill some1

arrest him, ok
but killing him is not ok
Zefar
Member
+116|6953|Sweden
I'm not against the death penalty for very simple reason.

1: It cost to keep the prisoner alive.
2: You only get like 100 years and they decide to kill people. So we should kill them and get over it already.

I know there have been innocent people but if those bad people come out they will kill once more and almost all of them do it again. Some even do it on the same day where released.

Before someone comes with "What if it was a family members of yours?" Well if it was and he had like killed someone coldblooded I wouldn't want to have him as a family member.

You got your chance to live and you decided to get way to evil. Time to end it imo.
lettuce
site lurkerer
+26|6947|cheshire u.k

Zefar wrote:

I'm not against the death penalty for very simple reason.

1: It cost to keep the prisoner alive.
2: You only get like 100 years and they decide to kill people. So we should kill them and get over it already.

I know there have been innocent people but if those bad people come out they will kill once more and almost all of them do it again. Some even do it on the same day where released.

Before someone comes with "What if it was a family members of yours?" Well if it was and he had like killed someone coldblooded I wouldn't want to have him as a family member.

You got your chance to live and you decided to get way to evil. Time to end it imo.
totally agree..
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6853|UK

The only problem I have with it is the chance that someone is wrongfully executed for a crime that they never commited.  Am not so sure I could justify killing even 100 guilty guys if that meant one innocent man had his life taken aswell through no fault of his own.
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5889

I'm very much on the fence when it comes to the death penalty.

On the one hand some innocent people are killed by the government after being wrongly convicted.

On the other some people are never getting out of jail and choose to just go on rampages inside of prisons since really they have nothing to live for anyway and just end up costing the state a lot of money.

I'm going to have to say that considering these two issues that the death penalty should be a option only in the most serious cases. Maybe if a jury and judge both suggest the death penalty it could go to a seperate group who would decide whether it should be followed through with. If the group decides it then follow through with the execution.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA
Noobpatty
ʎʇʇɐdqoou
+194|6658|West NY
3. 6,000,000 More people are born into the world a month.
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6852|San Diego, CA, USA
Instead of looking at it from the criminal's point of view, what about the victim or the victim's family point of view?
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

Harmor wrote:

Instead of looking at it from the criminal's point of view, what about the victim or the victim's family point of view?
Because liberals do not care about victims, to them, the victim is the criminal who was left with little choice in this country but to turn to crime after "the man" kept him down.
JAyThaRevo
Member
+31|6591|Austria
death penalty IS WAY MORE expensive then some boring life sentence....
mtb0minime
minimember
+2,418|6958

Gotta love teen pregnancies! Oh well, it's probably a good thing that baby is gone. With parents like those, she'd grow up to be just another fucked up person in society and continue her family's wonderful teen pregnancy + trash can legacy.
I'm Jamesey
Do a Research Noob
+506|6436|Scotland!

Zefar wrote:

I'm not against the death penalty for very simple reason.

1: It cost to keep the prisoner alive.
2: You only get like 100 years and they decide to kill people. So we should kill them and get over it already.

I know there have been innocent people but if those bad people come out they will kill once more and almost all of them do it again. Some even do it on the same day where released.

Before someone comes with "What if it was a family members of yours?" Well if it was and he had like killed someone coldblooded I wouldn't want to have him as a family member.

You got your chance to live and you decided to get way to evil. Time to end it imo.
It's extremely easy to justify the death penalty when you distinguish all killers as evil and all people murdered as poor victims.

but if those bad people come out they will kill once more and almost all of them do it again. Some even do it on the same day where released.
That's an extremely naive way of looking at it.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7040|Salt Lake City

lowing wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Instead of looking at it from the criminal's point of view, what about the victim or the victim's family point of view?
Because liberals do not care about victims, to them, the victim is the criminal who was left with little choice in this country but to turn to crime after "the man" kept him down.
Like the conservatives that think the death of any criminal for any crime is justified and good news.
13/f/taiwan
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+940|6002

JAyThaRevo wrote:

death penalty IS WAY MORE expensive then some boring life sentence....
Average rate for keeping a person in Prison for America is around $40,000 a year.

Killing someone throught the death penalty, burning their body and all the other essentials(transportation, men etc) is way less.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7040|Salt Lake City

12/f/taiwan wrote:

JAyThaRevo wrote:

death penalty IS WAY MORE expensive then some boring life sentence....
Average rate for keeping a person in Prison for America is around $40,000 a year.

Killing someone throught the death penalty, burning their body and all the other essentials(transportation, men etc) is way less.
Sorry, but you are wrong.  Calculating the cost of executing some one has already been done, and it is more expensive to execute them.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-d … ncialfacts
13/f/taiwan
Member
+940|6002

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

12/f/taiwan wrote:

JAyThaRevo wrote:

death penalty IS WAY MORE expensive then some boring life sentence....
Average rate for keeping a person in Prison for America is around $40,000 a year.

Killing someone through the death penalty, burning their body and all the other essentials(transportation, men etc) is way less.
Sorry, but you are wrong.  Calculating the cost of executing some one has already been done, and it is more expensive to execute them.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-d … ncialfacts
Thanks, I never was certain about it and didn't take other factors into consideration.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7040|Salt Lake City

12/f/taiwan wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

12/f/taiwan wrote:


Average rate for keeping a person in Prison for America is around $40,000 a year.

Killing someone through the death penalty, burning their body and all the other essentials(transportation, men etc) is way less.
Sorry, but you are wrong.  Calculating the cost of executing some one has already been done, and it is more expensive to execute them.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-d … ncialfacts
Thanks, I never was certain about it and didn't take other factors into consideration.
Yeah, most people don't consider the cost of appeals on the process.  They will usually spend 10 years or so in prison, so that has to be paid for, while the court costs wrack up on the appeals.  It gets very expensive.
Zefar
Member
+116|6953|Sweden

I'm Jamesey wrote:

It's extremely easy to justify the death penalty when you distinguish all killers as evil and all people murdered as poor victims.
Yes, yes it is. But I wouldn't go so far to claim that people that kill are the victim here. Maybe if their gun missfired or something but when you kill an entire family after raping them you deserve to die. Same goes for people who just kill for fun and kill for pleasure. So yes it's extreamly easy to justify death.

but if those bad people come out they will kill once more and almost all of them do it again. Some even do it on the same day where released.
That's an extremely naive way of looking at it.
Actually stats just says that. Most prisoners who have killed someone and is released just kill another one and keeps doing this till they get caught.
Some even do it on the very day they are released.

Trying to help these sick people usually NEVER works. They are like that because they like it.
El Beardo
steel woolly mammoth
+150|6024|Gulf Coast

Kill him not for punishment but because it's the only way to know he can't kill again.
JAyThaRevo
Member
+31|6591|Austria

DrPeePeeFace wrote:

Kill him not for punishment but because it's the only way to know he can't kill again.
thats even more naive


DrPeePeeFace wrote:

A new study released by the Urban Institute on March 6, 2008 found that Maryland taxpayers have paid at least $37.2 million for each of the state’s five executions since 1978 when the state reenacted the death penalty. The study, prepared by the Urban Institute, estimates that the average cost to Maryland taxpayers for reaching a single death sentence is $3 million - $1.9 million more than the cost of a non-death penalty case. The study examined 162 capital cases that were prosecuted between 1978 and 1999 and found that seeking the death penalty in those cases cost $186 million more than what those cases would have cost had the death penalty not been sought.

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El Beardo
steel woolly mammoth
+150|6024|Gulf Coast

JAyThaRevo wrote:

DrPeePeeFace wrote:

Kill him not for punishment but because it's the only way to know he can't kill again.
thats even more naive


DrPeePeeFace wrote:

A new study released by the Urban Institute on March 6, 2008 found that Maryland taxpayers have paid at least $37.2 million for each of the state’s five executions since 1978 when the state reenacted the death penalty. The study, prepared by the Urban Institute, estimates that the average cost to Maryland taxpayers for reaching a single death sentence is $3 million - $1.9 million more than the cost of a non-death penalty case. The study examined 162 capital cases that were prosecuted between 1978 and 1999 and found that seeking the death penalty in those cases cost $186 million more than what those cases would have cost had the death penalty not been sought.
what's with the 2nd quote dude?
Zefar
Member
+116|6953|Sweden
Oh btw about that the killing off someone cost like $37 MILLION for ONE guy just to kill him?

SERIOUSLY? How bad at handling money can you be if it cost you $37 MILLIONS to finnish of ONE measly guy?

Sersiouly, take a gun and put one bullet to the head and then drive him to the place. Like $50 top or something if the place is far away.
It sounds like the transport they fella around the world a couple of times and use THE MOST expensive things there is.

I really don't get how it can cost that much. It's mindboggling expensive. But to keep them alive is cheaper? No I just don't buy that crap.

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El Beardo
steel woolly mammoth
+150|6024|Gulf Coast

Zefar wrote:

Oh btw about that the killing off someone cost like $37 MILLION for ONE guy just to kill him?

SERIOUSLY? How bad at handling money can you be if it cost you $37 MILLIONS to finnish of ONE measly guy?

Sersiouly, take a gun and put one bullet to the head and then drive him to the place. Like $50 top or something if the place is far away.
It sounds like the transport the fella around the world a couple of times and use THE MOST expensive things there is.

I really don't get how it can cost that much. It's mindboggling expensive. But to keep them alive is cheaper? No I just don't buy that crap.
just for the record... I didn't type that 2nd quote
Zefar
Member
+116|6953|Sweden

DrPeePeeFace wrote:

just for the record... I didn't type that 2nd quote
No problem, my message is mainly directed to the link that Agent_Dung_Bomb posted.

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