BF2S Forums My Atheism Is Not A Rejection Of Your God

I know the 'alignment' connotations of a confession box and understand you've already pretty much outruled the realistic chances of having set foot in one. All for wit and wordplay my good friend . Don't take any offence, just it's hard to really consider the earlier post 'outside the box' when we are from vastly different perspectives and both consider 'out of the box' lateral thinking in different degrees (I am completely non-religious and only curiously and intellectually spiritual in the terms more loosely coined by Aldous Huxley, you are a stated believer and person of faith- there's a fundamental divide here).

To me his posit seemed simply to be that God would not judge or 'punish' people for worshipping false idols, considering the commandments and that entire system of organisation are human-created conceits. To you however, imagining a single-God for all brings its own religious and spiritual complications (e.g. the afterlife and all the other miscellenea you mentioned) which just, quite plainly, makes it hard to reasonably debate and talk through things with you. Everytime I try to present his view in layman's terms, you spout some more religious gospel and embark upon another completely random digression on 'x' aspect of your faith and the ramifications of his (earlier poster's) views on said aspect. It's frustrating, especially so when you denigrate atheists/agnostics as if they're some hideous underclass of non-enlightened poor thinkers.

kylef wrote:

Yes - you've pretty much summed exactly 'our' debate in that post with one exception: the last sentence. Many of my friends are athiestic and few agnostic. I completely respect them because I can see exactly where they are coming from. Much like they completely respect me because in the end we're both doing what we think is right. Even if (not even secretly) we think each other is wrong.

I'm quite sure being agnostic (in the proper term that is always criminally misused) and being sure in doing 'what you think is right' is paradoxical. Agnostics are perpetually on the edge of the spiritual, dipping their toes into the cold pool of religion whilst staying as far away as possible from the whistle-blowing organised religion lifeguard with his damn rules against petting and running too fast. I'm also equally skeptical of modern-day young 'atheists' actually; reading The God Delusion twice and feeling rebellious against the indoctrinating efforts of your parents is not being 'atheist', it's just being a twat (of course this is all figurative).

Mekstizzle wrote:

Why, if there was a God, would it be just a Christian god, I do not know.

It doesnt have to be the christian God.  But if it isnt, the christians are screwed (and the jews I guess).  Likewise if it is the christian God, the muslims are in a bit of a bind.

The deist god is a bit more abstract.  I believe the position of deism is that god created the universe and but is disinterested in who you shag, who you kill etc etc.

That is where the arguments start.  It isnt so much a, my god vs your god, as, my doctorine vs yours.

I guess there are two positions:

1. There is one god, jews, christians and moslems are all worshipping the same one but don't know it.

2. There is one god, only one group is worshipping the correct one, the rest are going to hell

Not sure which I like better.

3. There is no god, they're all fuckheads and tolerating religion should be a crime let alone practising it.

I think I like that one.

DrunkFace wrote:

The difference is the way they worship him. Jews prey directly to God, Christians (mainly) believe you must go through Christ (aka Jesus) and Muslims follow the scripture of the prophet Mohamed but they all end up in the end with the same God who told Abraham to kill his son Isac.

Justifiable homicide.

Uzique wrote:

Why can you not contemplate the existence of a single God that doesn't care for the silly rules and human-invented scriptures?

Some times I don’t appreciate your condescending pseudo intellectual shite.  The idea that you can number exactly how many interpretations of God I (or anyone else) has pondered by no more than ten sentences on a forum thread that we are already ever so slightly off topic on is a perplexing notion at that.  Although perhaps that is my fault. 

Uzique wrote:

There's nothing to say that if the one and only single 'God' that rules the Universe isn't the Christian-concept of a God, that he will then 'condemn' all of these false-worshipping fools to Hell. That's a Christian construct, it's not like an unfalterable maxim of God #101

I allotted for the more, ''abstract'' deist god, that doesn’t care.  Infact the main purpose of the word abstract was because the deist interpretation of god can be twisted a few ways.  Some deists pray for example, and believe in an afterlife/reincarnation etc etc.  And such a God (we assume) wouldnt send us to some sort of hell for whatever reason he see's fit.  No doubt he's aware of the bible and maybe he got inspired?

Uzique wrote:

This is what I mean when I say 'think outside of the box', as such. It seems some people cannot consider a God without imposing the human-conceptions of organised religion upon the metaphorical.

As above.  Just because I havent mentioned it, doesnt me I havent considered it. 

However the thread title is to do with atheism that's why I tend to stick to the theist God in such a thread. If you want to make one discussion the different idea's of potential Gods I'd be interested to have a look.