BF2S Forums Robber shot dead by witness

Mekstizzle wrote:

Well I dunno about having to kill the person but good show

When you draw your firearm it is to do specifically that.

Cord wrote:

lowing wrote:

Cord wrote:

It was sarcasm so you can lose the Roley eyes smiley. I know it's hard to interpret on the Internet, but only a a complete racist would announce they don't give a fuck what Muslims think and mean it. Kinda obvious I thought. Oh and whilst I may not be a hero, I got to eat my fill and they barely even noticed. Score!!!! AWESOME, etc.

I fail to see what you mean here. Cam has announced his feelings on soldiers of which belong to a Government he isn't fond of twice now. And both times I called him up on it and mention it a few times to him. Just like I called you up on your BO Gem, which I have mentioned what, 3 times now? In he same week? I'll probably stop after a few days and it will be forgotten with the rest of your semi controversial statements.

You call me a racist for speaking the truth, the ME does stink of BO in populated areas. Now, please acknowledge that I NEVER said what you claim I said, also add to it that I never said "I don't give a fuck about Muslims"

You must be picking out a few words of my post and getting into a fit or something. Slow down and take a deep breath. I'm not saying you said "I don't give a fuck about all Muslims". I am saying when I, repeat, I said that. I was being sarcastic. Note that it was me saying that when me, as in myself said that. I was being sarcastic. You never said that. I did, in a sarcastic tone.

I don't think you are a racist. I'm not so ignorant as to put you into that fixed category. I happen to think you have certain racist tendencies because you are ill informed on a few things. You also like to sit at the controversial table and speak the "truth". When the "truth" often isn't, and it's often you lacking the knowledge or you believing in what you say but putting it in a hyper controversial way to bait the libs.

Is that an accurate profile? Would you admit to it if you felt it was the truth?

Close except for 1 small part. My opinions are not churched up to entice anyone. I do feel as I have spoken about Islam, the ME, Israel, race relations, guns, self defense, etc......Not sure how you can say I am any more informed or mis-informed than anyone else. Unless you base this on your own opinions and choose to think that those you agree with are the "informed" ones.

lowing wrote:

Cord wrote:

lowing wrote:

You call me a racist for speaking the truth, the ME does stink of BO in populated areas. Now, please acknowledge that I NEVER said what you claim I said, also add to it that I never said "I don't give a fuck about Muslims"

You must be picking out a few words of my post and getting into a fit or something. Slow down and take a deep breath. I'm not saying you said "I don't give a fuck about all Muslims". I am saying when I, repeat, I said that. I was being sarcastic. Note that it was me saying that when me, as in myself said that. I was being sarcastic. You never said that. I did, in a sarcastic tone.

I don't think you are a racist. I'm not so ignorant as to put you into that fixed category. I happen to think you have certain racist tendencies because you are ill informed on a few things. You also like to sit at the controversial table and speak the "truth". When the "truth" often isn't, and it's often you lacking the knowledge or you believing in what you say but putting it in a hyper controversial way to bait the libs.

Is that an accurate profile? Would you admit to it if you felt it was the truth?

Close except for 1 small part. My opinions are not churched up to entice anyone. I do feel as I have spoken about Islam, the ME, Israel, race relations, guns, self defense, etc......Not sure how you can say I am any more informed or mis-informed than anyone else. Unless you base this on your own opinions and choose to think that those you agree with are the "informed" ones.

Nope I'm not a big enough Cunt as to think my opinion matters more than someone else's. What I'm saying is sometimes you need to take a step back and think whether the person you are talking to might know a little more about the subject than you. This isn't me being cocky, but when I say I am more informed about Muslims in the United Kingdom, my country, I probably am. Watching Fox news for 20 minutes doesn't really compare with years of living here.

This can be transferred to many debates. The Greek riots being another prime example. The guy that lived there clearly knew what he was talking about, and the people arguing did not.

Last edited by jord (2009-01-06 15:56:00)

Spearhead wrote:

still doesn't change the fact that you have to be within 3 feet of someone to do any serious damage.

21 foot rule.

i MAKE weapons. do not tell me that you need to be within three feet to do any damage.
that statement alone speaks volumes about your lack of experience and knowledge regarding this subject.

Spearhead wrote:

And you have to swing and hit a person pretty damn hard.

adrenaline.

also...its glass.

when it breaks you can stab people!

Sydney wrote:

Gun ownership here is extremely rare, and most of the legal ones are either shotguns or hunting rifles, REALLY hard to get a license and therefore get a gun, and guess what, there is almost 0 gun related crime here...

no wai!

thats liek teh first time i heard that

Jenspm wrote:

He'd definately be jailed for carying a gun.

I can see why guns are illegal in Norway, but here, they're a necessity.

i still don't get why people are defending a criminal who assaulted and battered someone

@Ghettoperson if I'm not mistaken, the 21 foot rule applies to stuff like knives and broken bottles. A guy 21 feet away from you can stab you in the time it takes for you to pull out your handgun, aim, and fire.

Last edited by Hurricane2k9 (2009-01-06 17:06:00)

lowing wrote:

jord wrote:

lowing wrote:

Close except for 1 small part. My opinions are not churched up to entice anyone. I do feel as I have spoken about Islam, the ME, Israel, race relations, guns, self defense, etc......Not sure how you can say I am any more informed or mis-informed than anyone else. Unless you base this on your own opinions and choose to think that those you agree with are the "informed" ones.

Nope I'm not a big enough Cunt as to think my opinion matters more than someone else's. What I'm saying is sometimes you need to take a step back and think whether the person you are talking to might know a little more about the subject than you. This isn't me being cocky, but when I say I am more informed about Muslims in the United Kingdom, my country, I probably am. Watching Fox news for 20 minutes doesn't really compare with years of living here.

This can be transferred to many debates. The Greek riots being another prime example. The guy that lived there clearly knew what he was talking about, and the people arguing did not.

Yet so many opinions about the US by eople who do not live here is acceptable.

I did not base my opinion that the ME stinks to high heaven with BO from Fox News I based it from my experiences there. THey problem you and Cam and others have, is the fact that it is true, and I had the nerve to actually mention it.


As far as the Greece riots go, I asked and it was never answered. How often does the govt. just decide to simplyshoot people deadon the street for entertainment? I asked this as a reponse to a poster who suggested that the riots are all the govts fault and the people are not provoking any action what so ever

Why do you group everyone that disagrees with you into the same category? You'll find I am neither lib nor con, I make my own decision on each issue. That often conflicts with Cam, and often it conflicts with Usmarine. Two totally different people. I don't give a shit about PC, who am I trying to impress here? I call it how I see it, as you do. Just because I don't see it the same way you do doesn't mean I'm a PC pussy that doesn't wanna offend crybaby Arabs.

I can't really remember the Riots, I do remember a resident from that country trying to get his point across from there and nobody listening to someone that lived there.

When do Police decide to pin someone down randomly and shoot them in the back? Well, it happened this week.

jord wrote:

lowing wrote:

jord wrote:

Nope I'm not a big enough Cunt as to think my opinion matters more than someone else's. What I'm saying is sometimes you need to take a step back and think whether the person you are talking to might know a little more about the subject than you. This isn't me being cocky, but when I say I am more informed about Muslims in the United Kingdom, my country, I probably am. Watching Fox news for 20 minutes doesn't really compare with years of living here.

This can be transferred to many debates. The Greek riots being another prime example. The guy that lived there clearly knew what he was talking about, and the people arguing did not.

Yet so many opinions about the US by eople who do not live here is acceptable.

I did not base my opinion that the ME stinks to high heaven with BO from Fox News I based it from my experiences there. THey problem you and Cam and others have, is the fact that it is true, and I had the nerve to actually mention it.


As far as the Greece riots go, I asked and it was never answered. How often does the govt. just decide to simplyshoot people deadon the street for entertainment? I asked this as a reponse to a poster who suggested that the riots are all the govts fault and the people are not provoking any action what so ever

Why do you group everyone that disagrees with you into the same category? You'll find I am neither lib nor con, I make my own decision on each issue. That often conflicts with Cam, and often it conflicts with Usmarine. Two totally different people. I don't give a shit about PC, who am I trying to impress here? I call it how I see it, as you do. Just because I don't see it the same way you do doesn't mean I'm a PC pussy that doesn't wanna offend crybaby Arabs.

I can't really remember the Riots, I do remember a resident from that country trying to get his point across from there and nobody listening to someone that lived there.

When do Police decide to pin someone down randomly and shoot them in the back? Well, it happened this week.

Not sure how I am grouping anyone in this thread. I also didn't call you a PC pussy didn't even imply it. In fact I rarely call anyone anything worse than a liberal ( as if there were anything worse), and I rarely if ever state someone is wrong. If you stop and think about it, I am the one who is labeled and call more names than just about anyone else on here usually from the self rightous. So maybe you might wanna reflect on who is more condenscending, more violent, more self rightous and more convinced they are correct in thier posts between me and other prominant members of this forum.

I listened to the Greek poster, I asked questions that he did not answer.

So a cop puts someone on the ground and shot him for fun? link please

Last edited by lowing (2009-01-06 17:39:41)

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Well I dunno about having to kill the person but good show

When you draw your firearm it is to do specifically that.

i like you am a CCW permit holder and feel qualified to speak on the subject.

i'm not saying "Chris" should be thrown in jail, but i'm surprised he's not accused and probably convicted of murder.

if i was in that situation i would NOT have retreated to my car to obtain my pistol and returned to kill the attacker* because:

(1) the point of a personal weapon is for personal defense. from my understanding, any use of the personal weapon for non-personal use is not lawful.

(2) ALL of these conditions were not met:

• You Must Be A Reluctant Participant or Non-Aggressor
• You Must Be In Reasonable Fear Of Death Or Great Bodily Harm
• No Lesser Force Will Do, Making Lethal Force Necessary
• Retreat Is Not Practical

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_{*don't get me wrong, i would have jumped in to help and probably beat the guy to a pulp (resourcefully using some nearby object as a weapon, but i would have not drawn my pistol on the guy, even if i WAS carrying).}

I do sgree with you, however, I bow to the fact that the "witness" probably saved an innocent life. I think the authorities feel the same way

lowing wrote:

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

When you draw your firearm it is to do specifically that.

i like you am a CCW permit holder and feel qualified to speak on the subject.

i'm not saying "Chris" should be thrown in jail, but i'm surprised he's not accused and probably convicted of murder.

if i was in that situation i would NOT have retreated to my car to obtain my pistol and returned to kill the attacker* because:

(1) the point of a personal weapon is for personal defense. from my understanding, any use of the personal weapon for non-personal use is not lawful.

(2) ALL of these conditions were not met:

• You Must Be A Reluctant Participant or Non-Aggressor
• You Must Be In Reasonable Fear Of Death Or Great Bodily Harm
• No Lesser Force Will Do, Making Lethal Force Necessary
• Retreat Is Not Practical

---
_{*don't get me wrong, i would have jumped in to help and probably beat the guy to a pulp (resourcefully using some nearby object as a weapon, but i would have not drawn my pistol on the guy, even if i WAS carrying).}

I do sgree with you, however, I bow to the fact that the "witness" probably saved an innocent life. I think the authorities feel the same way

I doubt it, the authorities are usually wrong.

Spearhead wrote:

okay then.  still doesn't change the fact that you have to be within 3 feet of someone to do any serious damage.  And you have to swing and hit a person pretty damn hard.  and people behind you could easily tackle you to the ground.

A handgun requires squeezing the trigger and maybe a one shot kill. 

I'm not here to debate what works as a weapon in real life and how effective it is... I'm sure you know more than me.  But I'm just saying, comparing a bottle to a handgun?  Doesnt really do much for the point youre trying to make (everything can be used as a weapon)

(oh ya and since I'm just an ignorant little kid on the internet who disagrees with you, I guess I'm just a dumbfuck for not seeing someone killed with a bottle.  regardless, a bottle will still break eventually.  you really dont have to be so condescending about it)

You are right, I was a little condesending, but I tend to lose my patience with people who get their physics lessons from Hollywood.  I appologize. 

The bad guy in question was within 3 feet.  Of the clerk.  He was in the process of bashing her when the witness interupted him.  No, the witness was not in personal danger, but he was defending the welfare of another human being.  Yes, he defended her at the expense of another human life, but, based soley on the fact that one of them was engaged in harming the other, I believe it was a good choice.

Oh, and I am not sure about the lethal radius of a beer bottle, but the Law Enforcement community considers the lethal distance of a knife to be about 21 feet.  That is the distance that a knife wielding bad guy is considered a lethal threat.

EDIT  Oh, and here is a slightly safer experiment, minus the condencending attitude.  Put on a pair of safety glasses and heavy-duty gloves.  Grab a bottle, cupping your hand around like you would be drinking it (around the thick part).  Then, go out and wail on a tree.  If you want even more fun, try a wine bottle.  A square bottle of Mad Dog can also do some serious damage.

Last edited by imortal (2009-01-06 17:49:59)

imortal wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

imortal, you have been watching too many ninja movies if you think a bottle (which, by the way, breaks after you hit someone with it) is anywhere nearly as dangerous as a handgun (which, as everyone knows, can kill from a distance and fire as fast as you can squeeze the trigger).

imo there's nothing wrong with what the witness did.  But you're pretty much degrading the debate because you are basing your opinion on certain events.... so is lowing.  And so do a lot of anti-gun people.

I have seen a cracked skull from someone hitting them over the head repeatedly with a bottle.  I know a guy in the army who died during a 'bar-room brawl' from being hit in the head with a beer bottle.  A glass cylinder does not break as readily as the TV shows like to show. 

Don't believe me?  Go hit yourself over your own head with a bottle.  See what breaks first.

I'm pretty sure Bam Margera tries it and the bottle just doesn't break.

I think Chris should of went to the robbers house and killed his entire family. Might as well take them all out the genepool.

Ok maybe that's over the top. Maybe Chris didn't want to risk his own personal safety by actually getting physical with the dude. The fucker was breaking the law fuck his rights the prick got what he deserves.
I wish there was more instances of horrible thieving cunts getting exactly what they deserve. If any of you disagree I hope you get your skull caved by a prick with a bottle trying to rob you.

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Well I dunno about having to kill the person but good show

When you draw your firearm it is to do specifically that.

i like you am a CCW permit holder and feel qualified to speak on the subject.

i'm not saying "Chris" should be thrown in jail, but i'm surprised he's not accused and probably convicted of murder.

if i was in that situation i would NOT have retreated to my car to obtain my pistol and returned to kill the attacker* because:

(1) the point of a personal weapon is for personal defense. from my understanding, any use of the personal weapon for non-personal use is not lawful.

(2) ALL of these conditions were not met:

• You Must Be A Reluctant Participant or Non-Aggressor
• You Must Be In Reasonable Fear Of Death Or Great Bodily Harm
• No Lesser Force Will Do, Making Lethal Force Necessary
• Retreat Is Not Practical

---
_{*don't get me wrong, i would have jumped in to help and probably beat the guy to a pulp (resourcefully using some nearby object as a weapon, but i would have not drawn my pistol on the guy, even if i WAS carrying).}

Fair enough. Let me ask you something though. What if you walked into that store and encountered the same scenario, except it was your wife instead of a clerk? Say you had your sidearm on you. Do you still beat the guy up, or do you draw and fire?