BF2S Forums War in Gaza Official Thread

FEOS wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

That's cute.

And totally irrelevant.

I thought it was showing how soldiers should ask questions instead of blindly following orders.


EDIt: Still think its irrelevant ?

Yes. Engineers questioning whether something should be built is a completely different situation than soldiers not "blindly following orders". So long as an order is legal, a soldier is required to follow it...period. Nothing the IDF has been ordered to do thus far is illegal, regardless of how you feel about the Palestinian situation.

WOW, you took it litarally eh. I personally thought they was a bigger message behind all of it. Example(from the article)

Still, is there nothing here that will stop this blood pipeline? Even those whose hearts are hardened by "moral righteousness" will have to momentarily halt the bombing machine and ask: Which Israel do we have before us? What will become of its standing in the world, which is now watching the events in Gaza? What are we inflicting on the moderate Arab regimes? And what of the simmering popular hatred we are sowing throughout the world? What good will emerge from this killing and destruction?

FEOS wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I certainly will be wholeheartedly cheering the death of each and every single IDF soldier soon to be announced.

Sickening, Poe. Simply sickening. You are better than that.

no he isnt.  i never believed him all these years.  i saw right thru his crap.  sadly it took you all this long to see it.

CameronPoe wrote:

Has anyone asked themselves: what happens at the end of this operation? Israel tried occupation. It failed. There were several intifadas and civilians on both sides continued to die. Israel can temporarily occupy and then withdraw - what do you think will happen then? Palestinians will resume rocket attacks just like they did last year and just like they have done for many moons. Where is the 'solution' in this entirely military endeavour? At least, fairplay to Israel, they eventually went in for mano a mano - for more respectable - but only after fucking up Gaza City and outlying towns goodo.

The next logical step is to pinch the flow of munitions needed to make Qassam rockets. How is an excellent question.

jord wrote:

What many fail to realise is 99% of collateral is accidental. In Iraq most civilian deaths are from munitions dropped from the air. I severely doubt soldiers get an order to "Go kill them kids over there". Though if I was, rest assured I would discharge myself or go AWOL. I'm not going to kill innocent people, the same as most of the people I've met on my Army course as well as soldiers, ya know, normal people.

There is no way on earth you can avoid significant collateral damage in the most densely populated region on earth, from which civilians cannot escape (nor should they given the example set in 1948). Fuck munitions dropped from the air in this context. Straight in with mano a mano. That would be respectable. Do you think they have desisted from employing cluster bombs? I think not. Those bombs are guaranteed limbless civilians, guaranteed.

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CameronPoe wrote:

jord wrote:

What many fail to realise is 99% of collateral is accidental. In Iraq most civilian deaths are from munitions dropped from the air. I severely doubt soldiers get an order to "Go kill them kids over there". Though if I was, rest assured I would discharge myself or go AWOL. I'm not going to kill innocent people, the same as most of the people I've met on my Army course as well as soldiers, ya know, normal people.

There is no way on earth you can avoid significant collateral damage in the most densely populated region on earth, from which civilians cannot escape (nor should they given the example set in 1948). Fuck munitions dropped from the air in this context. Straight in with mano a mano. That would be respectable. Do you think they have desisted from employing cluster bombs? I think not. Those bombs are guaranteed limbless civilians, guaranteed.

I was referring to Iraq mainly for an example on collateral.

War is not about being respectful anymore and hasn't for a long time. The days of Infantry charges, Knights and Chivalry is over. You use what is most effective. For the West that is dropping bombs from planes, and for insurgents it's strapping bombs to mentally ill people and planting IED's. They are hardly going to meet each other in pitched battle to duel with swords.

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jord wrote:

I was referring to Iraq mainly for an example on collateral.

War is not about being respectful anymore and hasn't for a long time. The days of Infantry charges, Knights and Chivalry is over. You use what is most effective. For the West that is dropping bombs from planes, and for insurgents it's strapping bombs to mentally ill people and planting IED's. They are hardly going to meet each other in pitched battle to duel with swords.

How effective has the bomb dropping been with respect to stopping rocket attacks? Answer: not very/not at all.

And to go back to the last point: how does an increase in the death tally for the Taliban/Al Qaeda in Afghanistan make you feel? Good, bad or indifferent?

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ATG wrote:

Why was my post deleted.

" the last I checked the only people living in Gaza are either Hamas, or Hamas supporters; people who voted them into power. The children there are the victims of their parents stupidity.  Until Hamas and all there supporters are dead there will be no peace. "

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 7#p2449287
That one?

CameronPoe wrote:

jord wrote:

I was referring to Iraq mainly for an example on collateral.

War is not about being respectful anymore and hasn't for a long time. The days of Infantry charges, Knights and Chivalry is over. You use what is most effective. For the West that is dropping bombs from planes, and for insurgents it's strapping bombs to mentally ill people and planting IED's. They are hardly going to meet each other in pitched battle to duel with swords.

How effective has the bomb dropping been with respect to stopping rocket attacks? Answer: not very/not at all.

And to go back to the last point: how does an increase in the death tally for the Taliban/Al Qaeda in Afghanistan make you feel? Good, bad or indifferent?

The Taliban are easily manipulated people that just happened to be born into the wrong area. That doesn't excuse them though, they joined up themselves, weak mind or not. I feel indifferent, if I hear 5 Taliban have been killed on the news I would forget within 10 seconds.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Campoe wrote:

Do you think they have desisted from employing cluster bombs? I think not. Those bombs are guaranteed limbless civilians, guaranteed.

Guess not.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj25 … 226270.jpg
I'm assuming thats either cluster bombs or shrapnel, neither of which should be used to attack civilian areas.
So much for precision attacks eh?

Those are neither. Keep looking.

jord wrote:

The Taliban are easily manipulated people that just happened to be born into the wrong area. That doesn't excuse them though, they joined up themselves, weak mind or not. I feel indifferent, if I hear 5 Taliban have been killed on the news I would forget within 10 seconds.

You're going to be a British troop. I've seen British troops hooting when they successfully nail a Taliban stronghold with a rocket or an airstrike. They aren't indifferent. They aren't exactly thinking 'oh, he was just an ordinary soldier doing his job just like me, poor him' - they think 'yes, we nailed the little fucker'. It's a natural response. When 'the bad guy' takes a hit those opposed to the bad guy generally rejoice. This will explain in some way hopefully my position on the extremely heavy-handed Israeli incursion we are now witnessing. I don't know these guys. At the end of the day it's just a number, a statistic, to me and the higher that number is the less there are  of them to kill Palestinians and to cause them further misery. That is essentially where I am coming from. In a similar vain I would have cheered Nazi soldier death tolls during WWII if I was around.

CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Sickening, Poe. Simply sickening. You are better than that.

no he isnt.  i never believed him all these years.  i saw right thru his crap.  sadly it took you all this long to see it.

Saw right through my blatantly open contempt for state terrorists Israel? Wow how perceptive of you - you must be some kind of clairvoyant. Miss my 67 page 'Israeli Heavy-Handedness' thread or something? Duuuuuhhhh

you cheer when IDF or US troops die by terrorists.  i know you do.  shit you just said it.

jord wrote:

When adrenaline is pumping and you're getting shot out of course you cheer when you win. Sitting at my computer on a chair when I watched Russia roll  into Georgia I wasn't waiting for the latest Russian death toll so I could clap and cheer. I just don't understand that line of thinking. I guess it's selfish on my part, only applying the actions to when I am involved myself.

Here's an example of my line of thinking. Russia rolls into the EU with their tanks and planes. You are goddamn certain I and most of Europe will be cheering a rising Russian death toll. I think the misunderstanding is that I feel very strongly about Palestine, having been there and having read deeply on the conflict and from a strong sense of Irish-Palestinian solidarity that has long existed.

FEOS wrote:

Those are neither. Keep looking.

So what are they?
Pic has been on the BBC News for a while.
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/

Campoe wrote:

especially not with Black Jesus at the helm!

The first jesus was black mate.

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