BF2S Forums War in Gaza Official Thread

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

I'll toss in my 2 cents. 

If said country (of Muslims if you wish) was created in my area, I would expect they'd respond w/ military force if we fired rockets into their country.

I'm pretty sure that Hamas was expecting a response.. They know pretty well the Israelis.. They say what happen in 2006..  This may be a strategy of winning international support or maybe they are just crazy..

The question is, if it was happening to YOU, would you fight back?  Try to put yourself in their shoes..

You have prolly missed the part of Hamas not clearly defining their military and political branches and for a reason, Hamas doesn't like politics ... politics for them was just to gain power ... all the efforts from PLO and Israel to reach an agreement disappeared when Hamas came to power, their goal is pretty much to kill all Israelis ... and that shouldn't coincidentally cross reference into your other believes regarding Jews should it?

Be aware your opinions are being noted ...

sergeriver wrote:

This time alone I agree, but what about the others in the past.  This time is different, Israel is trying to remove Hamas and they must invade Gaza and take them out, of course there'll be collateral.  Nobody says Israel targets innocent civilians, they just don't care about civilians, which is as bad anyway.  But this time Israel entering Gaza is the right thing to do coz this won't stop until Hamas militants are all dead.  Then, we can criticize Israel again, but not this time.

How can civilian casualties be acceptable this time but not other times? Have other Israeli attacks been without purpose? Or less careful?

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

jord wrote:

No you tool, I wouldn't back down. I'm smarter than to fire rockets that don't even kill the invaders and then get the innocent people around me killed for the sake of me blowing a crater into a field. I'm not going to waste my time going through a fictional plan of action with the likes of your Nazi ass.

Waiting for the blockades to open and getting more effective weapons and ammo>Firing shitty rockets

You really are retarded. You are a not a Nazi no. I imagine that is a compliment to you. You are just some Canadian tool that got rejected from his local neonazi clan. Oh the shame.

Ok simpleton, you just proved that you are smarter than the likes of Hamas.. i agree with you waiting to get better weapons is a lot better than firing shitty rockets.

But let's imagine that you have these more effective weapons.. You are surrounded by checkpoints manned by an army 100x more trained and better equipped than you.. What do you do?  Do you charge these military targets?  Or Do you try to get them to enter your territory where you can fight a guerilla war?  And how can you make them enter your territory?

Try to think (not too hard simpleton, step by step you are making progress)..

I'm not going to talk about what I would do when you can't go 2 sentences without adding the word "simpleton". Maybe you say it so much because deep down you know you're not too bright yourself, and if you try and take down everyone else to your level of intelligence you feel better. Shame.

usmarine wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

usmarine wrote:

so why arent you so passionate about africa since that happens everyday down there?  i NEVER here you mention it once.

ah yes we know why, you are a nazi.

What happen everyday?  A foreign people stealing the land of indigenous people in Africa?  Nope i don't think so..

one country attacking another country and occupying their land as you put it happens all the time down there.  stop trying to sound like you know what you are talking about when it is very obvious you do not.

War between countries happen all the time.. that is how borders are created..  this is two different things.

If there was a part of Africa given to a bunch of white scientologist because it is written in their holy book that that land belong to them because they lived there 30000 years ago when the aliens were ruling the earth, then you would see me care about that situation. I would be as passionate about the liberation of that particular african tribe as i am for the Palestinians cause.

jord wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

jord wrote:

No you tool, I wouldn't back down. I'm smarter than to fire rockets that don't even kill the invaders and then get the innocent people around me killed for the sake of me blowing a crater into a field. I'm not going to waste my time going through a fictional plan of action with the likes of your Nazi ass.

Waiting for the blockades to open and getting more effective weapons and ammo>Firing shitty rockets

You really are retarded. You are a not a Nazi no. I imagine that is a compliment to you. You are just some Canadian tool that got rejected from his local neonazi clan. Oh the shame.

Ok simpleton, you just proved that you are smarter than the likes of Hamas.. i agree with you waiting to get better weapons is a lot better than firing shitty rockets.

But let's imagine that you have these more effective weapons.. You are surrounded by checkpoints manned by an army 100x more trained and better equipped than you.. What do you do?  Do you charge these military targets?  Or Do you try to get them to enter your territory where you can fight a guerilla war?  And how can you make them enter your territory?

Try to think (not too hard simpleton, step by step you are making progress)..

I'm not going to talk about what I would do when you can't go 2 sentences without adding the word "simpleton". Maybe you say it so much because deep down you know you're not too bright yourself, and if you try and take down everyone else to your level of intelligence you feel better. Shame.

You call me a nazi in almost every post directed at me.. and a lot of other insults.. drop the name calling and we can discuss.. If you don't want to discuss with me then ignore me..

We had the French.

lowing wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

lowing wrote:

Here we go again, Palestine is not an invaded country, in fact it isn't even a country. The Jews did not conquer anything. To right wrongs done to the Jews, they were allowed to return to their historical land by the world. Like it ior not, The Jews belong there just as much as anyone else in the region.

The fact that Palestine was a country or not is irrelevant, There was people living there and a bunch of foreigner came and took their land.

And how about the second part of my post?  Would you resist if it was happening to you or not?

If the fact that Palestine is not a country is not relevent, then stop calling it a fuckin country and comparing it to other countries with your anlogies.

Already responded to that. The Jews didn't invade, they were given that land by the world.

Ok lets settle the first point.  PALESTINE IS NOT A COUNTRY!!! 

But people were living there.. country or not, you don't remove people from where they live for no fucking reason.  Hey there is an island in the pacific where some indigenous people live.. it's not a country just an island.. does that mean that we have the right to remove them and install a canadian (lol) colony on that island?

Second point: Guess what, if the israelis won that land by invading it and without the help of the world i think i would be fine with it.. Like the natives, the "palestinians" would have been defeated and it would be game over.

Ill just ask my question again..  If your state was given to a foreign people by the world..  would you shut up and leave your home without a fight?

Magic

(you have a space in there)

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

If there was a part of Africa given to a bunch of white scientologist because it is written in their holy book that that land belong to them because they lived there 30000 years ago when the aliens were ruling the earth, then you would see me care about that situation. I would be as passionate about the liberation of that particular african tribe as i am for the Palestinians cause.

Lulz.

Quite a good point though.

If we didn't just happen to be in our latest Judo-Christian fad-phase and some other random belief system had historically asserted power and declared itself the 'one true belief, honestly!'- would we really give a shit about Israel-Palestine? Would we even have the time of day for the Zionist cause? It would be seen more like a Koresh-movement of crazy nutjobs wanting some 'holy land' derived from their shitty unimportant scripture.

The bigger solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict is quite clearly to declare that God is dead and they all struggle for nothing.

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AutralianChainsaw wrote:

War between countries happen all the time.. that is how borders are created..  this is two different things.

god you are so wrong.  a lot of it is about religion and whose land belonged to whom.  jesus you couldnt be more wrong.

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

Ill just ask my question again..  If your state was given to a foreign people by the world..  would you shut up and leave your home without a fight?

Of course. I'd insist on financial compensation for any property I lost but why would I fuck up my life by murdering children of the invaders?

But that's the wrong question anyway. Violent attacks on Israel over the years have not been driven solely (or perhaps even primarily) by the palestinians. The Arab nations and Iran have played a huge role. So the real question is, if the world granted someone else's land to another group, would you attack that group?

Lowing wrote:

Already responded to that. The Jews didn't invade, they were given that land by the world.

They were not GIVEN the land at all, they were allowed to form a government over certain areas subject to the rights of the indigenous peoples - specifically land ownership - not being infringed.
If they wanted land they were required to buy it from the locals.
Maybe you should read up on it before you come out with bullshit statements straight from the Zionist propaganda manual.

Of course they found it much cheaper to terrorise the population off the land or just kill them.

The Israelis ignored the basics of the UN resolution which created their country, its therefore null and void as far as I'm concerned.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-01-04 13:59:45)