SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6791|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,470824,00.html

We give them BILLIONS in taxpayer money and no one is holding them accountable for where it goes. This is why I was against the bailout from the beginning.


But according to a recent thread the military is causing us to go broke.
SealXo
Member
+309|6840
exactly

2 billion a week for a few years < 9 trillion in 2 months

an article just came out on reuters that said although chrysler just got 4 billion they still are probably going to go out of business lol.

Last edited by SealXo (2008-12-22 14:33:56)

cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|7000|NJ
Well the beautiful thing about this.. Is that we give the military Billions + that's never questioned??

Oh but in this case, I truly believe that capitalism should be allowed to take it's course and we let a failing business fail.. But hey it's all on the American public's back..

The day of the tax and spend needs to be over, as you said at the other thread we give Congress a blank check and don't get any accountability about it..

Last edited by cpt.fass1 (2008-12-22 14:42:33)

Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7040|Salt Lake City

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Well the beautiful thing about this.. Is that we give the military Billions + that's never questioned??

Oh but in this case, I truly believe that capitalism should be allowed to take it's course and we let a failing business fail.. But hey it's all on the American public's back..

The day of the tax and spend needs to be over, as you said at the other thread we give Congress a blank check and don't get any accountability about it..
Tax and spend isn't the big problem.  It's reduce/remove taxes and continue to spend that are the problem.
Graphic-J
The Artist formerly known as GraphicArtist-J
+196|6430|So Cal
See why bailouts are ALWAYS a bad idea?

This is why you allow industries to fail. They will never learn.

Banks, auto companies, financial institutions, unions, service industries, manufacturing, all of it.
If they can't compete or drew a serious blunder in the market (such as rampant lending to unqualified candidates then being confused why there is an increase in foreclosures) then they must face their own mistakes and pony up.
Either through shutting their doors, or periods of losses.

Where are the bailouts for the mom and pop stores that went under because of "Wal-Marts" moving into their towns?
This is exactly why less government is better: the government, though filled with many men and women who are very smart, is incompetent.

Disgusting! No accountability for folks who shower before work and total accountability for folks who shower after!
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AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6457|what

You don't pay your military to make a financial profit.

And you can't get the accountability out of the banks anyway, these banks are having an influx of money through the Government buying shares. But what power do you want your Government to exercise when it has a seat on the board with these companies? I'll bet you answered - "none".

Warren, the congressional watchdog appointed by Democrats, said her oversight panel will try to force the banks to say where they've spent the money.

"If the appropriate restrictions were put on the money to begin with, if the appropriate transparency was in place, then we wouldn't be in a position where you're trying to call every recipient and get the basic information that should already be in public documents," she said.
Obligatory - "lol Foxnews"
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AussieReaper
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+5,761|6457|what

GraphicArtist J wrote:

If they can't compete or drew a serious blunder in the market (such as rampant lending to unqualified candidates then being confused why there is an increase in foreclosures) then they must face their own mistakes and pony up.
Either through shutting their doors, or periods of losses.
You do understand why the bailouts we're necessary don't you? These financial companies collapsing may sound like a nice idea but during a recession you'd be forcing hundreds of thousands of hard working individuals out of work. This isn't including the top execs who should really be held accountable, but the people who are supporting families by working in any number of positions in these companies, etc.

And had these banks failed, most of which would have been the largest followed by the home town banks who are lent money from the larger banks, you wouldn't be able to make any loans what so ever. The cash wouldn't be available. That's why the auto-industry is feeling extra pressure, banks are less willing to hand out car loans. But imagine if it rolls on to college loans, home loans, any type of loan. All of which would have been approved in usual circumstances, but during a period where banks fear collapse and during a recession, they aren't going to loan to anyone.

GraphicArtist J wrote:

Where are the bailouts for the mom and pop stores that went under because of "Wal-Marts" moving into their towns?
This is exactly why less government is better: the government, though filled with many men and women who are very smart, is incompetent.

Disgusting! No accountability for folks who shower before work and total accountability for folks who shower after!
I can't see how you want accountability for the financial companies to be more competitive but wan't poor mum and dad stores to be bailed out. You did just say: "If they can't compete or drew a serious blunder in the market then they must face their own mistakes and pony up. Either through shutting their doors, or periods of losses."

Surely running the mum and pop store next to a Wal-mart and failing miserably is a sign that they can't compete?
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Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6853|UK

As far as I am aware, the bailout was supposed to help the banks with toxic debt.  Instead there simply hording the cash and cutting off liquidity?  In the UK Brown warned the banks to start lending and it doesnt seem they are, unless you are some squeeky clean bastard.

Meh, this time next year we will be living on the streets.  I'll miss you guys <3
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6709|North Carolina
Admittedly, I made a similar mistake to Fass in previous criticisms of our government.  As much as I hate war and the military industrial complex, the real corruption in our government stems from Wall Street.

The banking/credit industry can get away with a lot more things than any other sector of our economy.  They also have the power to lobby our government for an absurd amount of money in handouts.

All this time we were worried about terrorists when the most powerful enemy we face is the Fed Reserve.  Ron Paul was actually right....
AutralianChainsaw
Member
+65|6502

Turquoise wrote:

Ron Paul was actually right....
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7070|Cambridge (UK)

Bell wrote:

Meh, this time next year we will be living on the streets.  I'll miss you guys <3
I was thinking about this last night in fact - would make for great Roleplaying Game - The year is 2012, 3yrs on from the total collapse of the entire global economy. Gangs rule the cities. Most survive off the land. Everyone is armed...
Harmor
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+605|6852|San Diego, CA, USA

SealXo wrote:

exactly

2 billion a week for a few years < 9 trillion in 2 months

an article just came out on reuters that said although chrysler just got 4 billion they still are probably going to go out of business lol.
I thought they wanted a bailout to hold them off while they looked for a buyer?
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6852|San Diego, CA, USA

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Bell wrote:

Meh, this time next year we will be living on the streets.  I'll miss you guys <3
I was thinking about this last night in fact - would make for great Roleplaying Game - The year is 2012, 3yrs on from the total collapse of the entire global economy. Gangs rule the cities. Most survive off the land. Everyone is armed...
Already happening in L.A.

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