Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6905|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Atheism went mainstream a long time ago. Haven't you guys ever watched Family Guy or South Park? Ripping the traditional ideas of organized religion has become pop culture here.

They are even forming their own congregations.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … rss_nation
Well that kind of defeats the purpose of atheism.  It's supposed to be a personal thing.  It's not supposed to become yet another lobby group or "community."
This congregation sounds like just a support group comprised of like minded non believers. Everybody needs a hug sometimes..lol
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6709|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Atheism went mainstream a long time ago. Haven't you guys ever watched Family Guy or South Park? Ripping the traditional ideas of organized religion has become pop culture here.

They are even forming their own congregations.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … rss_nation
Well that kind of defeats the purpose of atheism.  It's supposed to be a personal thing.  It's not supposed to become yet another lobby group or "community."
This congregation sounds like just a support group comprised of like minded non believers. Everybody needs a hug sometimes..lol
I guess, but it sounds a little too similar to religion for my tastes.

Maybe Humanism is a religion unto itself.  It's worth noting that Humanism and Atheism are not the same thing though.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6905|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Well that kind of defeats the purpose of atheism.  It's supposed to be a personal thing.  It's not supposed to become yet another lobby group or "community."
This congregation sounds like just a support group comprised of like minded non believers. Everybody needs a hug sometimes..lol
I guess, but it sounds a little too similar to religion for my tastes.

Maybe Humanism is a religion unto itself.  It's worth noting that Humanism and Atheism are not the same thing though.
Yes I read that.
Although most humanists are atheists, atheism is defined by what is absent -- belief in God -- and humanists emphasize a positive philosophy of ethical living for the human good.
Apparently Atheist aren't emphasizing a positive ethical philosophy..lol
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6709|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


This congregation sounds like just a support group comprised of like minded non believers. Everybody needs a hug sometimes..lol
I guess, but it sounds a little too similar to religion for my tastes.

Maybe Humanism is a religion unto itself.  It's worth noting that Humanism and Atheism are not the same thing though.
Yes I read that.
Although most humanists are atheists, atheism is defined by what is absent -- belief in God -- and humanists emphasize a positive philosophy of ethical living for the human good.
Apparently Atheist aren't emphasizing a positive ethical philosophy..lol
I'm glad that the article makes that distinction.  They summed it up pretty well.

Personally, my ethics are situational.  I mean, Humanism seems like a nice way of living, but it requires a little more discipline and principles than I've got.
destruktion_6143
Was ist Loos?
+154|6930|Canada

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


If you say so.
I take it you never saw Mallrats. Its kind of a joke that goes with the movie.
What, like doing it in the back of a Volkswagen?
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7079|Moscow, Russia

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Atheism went mainstream a long time ago. Haven't you guys ever watched Family Guy or South Park? Ripping the traditional ideas of organized religion has become pop culture here.

They are even forming their own congregations.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … rss_nation
Well that kind of defeats the purpose of atheism.  It's supposed to be a personal thing.  It's not supposed to become yet another lobby group or "community."
there's no common purpose in atheism - and that's what supposedly makes it a personal thing. like any other beleaf, it is a "crutch" people use as personal support in this overwhelming world of information. but atheism is as much faith-based as any religion out there, and as such it is just as vulnerable to information manipulation and abuse of worst description. now, before you start telling me how much more "enlightened" and "scientific" atheism is, look at where i'm from - i know exactly how horrible "organized atheism" can be.

personally, i consider myself agnostic - i reject each and every beleaf-based socious construct out there, including those based on atheism. imho "is there a god?" is not a valid question at all - simply because in the world i live in there's no need for a variable "god" to establish a firm and comfortable understanding of this world and my place in it. however, the simple fact that i never had anything i'd consider as faith in something, i don't simply reject in all, because, for all i know "faith" might just be that mysterious "sixth sence" which allows certain people to feel... well... something i don't - call it "divine presence", "magic", what have you.

Last edited by Shahter (2008-12-22 03:14:18)

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
BVC
Member
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Interesting video.  As well as the obvious point, I thought there was an undertone of "even though you don't share someone else's belief system, they can still be a good person"..
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6833|Global Command

usmarine wrote:

ATG wrote:

The alternative is a porn infested, scam and fraud ridden system, where most everybody is living on credit and scoff at the idea of God, while cursing each other casually and offering no good counter-ideology.
add hockey and beer and you have what i like.  i am not living just so i can maybe, perhaps, live in some afterlife.  no thank you.  i will enjoy myself now with what i can actually see.
Sounds like you've read the Satanic Bible.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6709|North Carolina

Shahter wrote:

there's no common purpose in atheism - and that's what supposedly makes it a personal thing. like any other beleaf, it is a "crutch" people use as personal support in this overwhelming world of information. but atheism is as much faith-based as any religion out there, and as such it is just as vulnerable to information manipulation and abuse of worst description. now, before you start telling me how much more "enlightened" and "scientific" atheism is, look at where i'm from - i know exactly how horrible "organized atheism" can be.

personally, i consider myself agnostic - i reject each and every beleaf-based socious construct out there, including those based on atheism. imho "is there a god?" is not a valid question at all - simply because in the world i live in there's no need for a variable "god" to establish a firm and comfortable understanding of this world and my place in it. however, the simple fact that i never had anything i'd consider as faith in something, i don't simply reject in all, because, for all i know "faith" might just be that mysterious "sixth sence" which allows certain people to feel... well... something i don't - call it "divine presence", "magic", what have you.
I don't think anyone's going to argue with you about how evil the atheist agendas of Stalin and Mao were.  You make a good point in bringing this up.  Still, I suppose it comes back down to the idea that dogma (religious or otherwise) allows people to justify doing horrible things.  Stalinism and Maoism basically revered their leaders as gods, which technically made them religions in their own rights.

I suppose true atheism would involve no one to worship or idolize.  Pure individualism mixed with atheism would likely produce a society of selfish people, but they'd be too unorganized to be any real threat on a massive level.  Humanism seems interested in filling this moral void that can result from self-centered atheism, and while it does seem to have its strong points, I can't say I follow it.

I guess, at this point, I could more accurately say that dogma is what leads to insanity and evil behavior more than religion or atheism.  As you mentioned, agnosticism is probably the most rational way of looking at the supernatural, because it makes the least amount of assumptions possible.

I suppose I'm sort of one myself, because at this point, I generally find that the only time I even give a shit about religion is where it applies to government.  The only time religion really bothers me is when people try to create laws based on it.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA
I believe that I am sick to death of everyone else's beliefs. I also believe that I should not be forced to entertain anyone's beliefs. Just like I do not force my disbelief on anyone. Yes, I do believe that.


Wow, I can't believe I just said that!!
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6978|Canberra, AUS
Um... by definition, if you do not entertain someone's belief, then you are forcing your beliefs in them.

Unless you define 'entertain' differently to me.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

Spark wrote:

Um... by definition, if you do not entertain someone's belief, then you are forcing your beliefs in them.

Unless you define 'entertain' differently to me.
How so exactly, I do not care to listen to your bullshit and you do not need to listen to mine, ( spiritual bullshit that is) how is this forcing myself disbelief on anyone?
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6978|Canberra, AUS
That's what I meant by a different definition.

Moving on.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman

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