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Dilbert_X wrote:

MOAB wrote:

Wat? No way, My favourite movies are things like Man on Fire, The Dark Knight and Full Metal Jacket.

So basically slightly off the centre of the Hollywood mainstream, just subversive enough for you to think its cool.
GG

Yeah because everyone goes to movies to analyse them don't they

Dilbert_X wrote:

Many people go to a film for a bit more than drama, explosions and a predictable storyline.
If you're serious about being a director/author/artist you'll need to figure this out.

I got to a movie for the same reason as the vast majority, to switch off and be entertained, hence the point of a movie. I do pick out the finer points, but I don't go to see movies based on that.

Dilbert_X wrote:

While we're on the subject, if anyone needs a brain stretch try reading 'Robinson Cruesoe' in the original english.

Eze, Defoe's era of writing is no problemo compared to Medieval or Middle English

Funnily enough, I have just in these last few weeks produced a First class essay on Robinson Crusoe! I did a political interpretation and formal comparison between the theme of slavery in Crusoe's virtual fictional narrative and the post-colonialist reactionist works of J.M Coetzee in his metafictional adaptation Foe. The book is a pretty easy read in my opinion, and if you enjoyed it I highly recommend Foe as well .

Edit: I find inexpressible hilarity in MOAB's title! A multitalented Director/Author/Artist with no regard for talent and no clue! Haha!

Last edited by Uzique (2008-12-12 04:56:33)

M.O.A.B wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

While we're on the subject, if anyone needs a brain stretch try reading 'Robinson Cruesoe' in the original english.

Eze, Defoe's era of writing is no problemo compared to Medieval or Middle English

Funnily enough, I have just in these last few weeks produced a First class essay on Robinson Crusoe! I did a political interpretation and formal comparison between the theme of slavery in Crusoe's virtual fictional narrative and the post-colonialist reactionist works of J.M Coetzee in his metafictional adaptation Foe. The book is a pretty easy read in my opinion, and if you enjoyed it I highly recommend Foe as well .

Edit: I find inexpressible hilarity in MOAB's title! A multitalented Director/Author/Artist with no regard for talent and no clue! Haha!

Good for you then

Please post some of your written work, I am hugely anticipating the release of your first novel that only pays attention to big explosions and 'turn off' material. What are you going to call it, Harry Potter...?

M.O.A.B wrote:

Uzique wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Good for you then

Please post some of your written work, I am hugely anticipating the release of your first novel that only pays attention to big explosions and 'turn off' material. What are you going to call it, Harry Potter...?

Trying to put me down huh? Like you try with everyone who didn't have the chance to go to Oxford? Think I give a toss? Go stick your head back up your arse where it favours.

Don't care about education, stop trying so hard . Anyone regardless of their background can pay attention to the formal necessities of a good plot and story, and yes I am 'putting you down' as you ironically denigrated Shakespeare whilst calling yourself an 'Author'. Very audacious. And stoopid.

M.O.A.B wrote:

Uzique wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Trying to put me down huh? Like you try with everyone who didn't have the chance to go to Oxford? Think I give a toss? Go stick your head back up your arse where it favours.

Don't care about education, stop trying so hard . Anyone regardless of their background can pay attention to the formal necessities of a good plot and story, and yes I am 'putting you down' as you ironically denigrated Shakespeare whilst calling yourself an 'Author'. Very audacious. And stoopid.

So you can't write if you don't like Shakespeare? Yes I can see the link between Debt of Honour and a Midsummer Night's Dream.

Nope, not inferring that at all. Very poor Moab, very poor.

You have a disregard for 'real' plot constructs, saying earlier his works have "crappy storylines", and then later on state that you want to watch stories that "turn you off" and have "big explosions". It's not so much about liking Shakespeare - it's more about having a clue. There's not really a novel-equivalent of the action movie, sadly the written mode requires some level of engagement and thought process. You could look into authoring some children's tales though, may be up your street.

And do stop trying to call me out because of my irrelevant personal details, lots of other people in this thread have found you similarly hilarious without giving two shits about literature, let alone having an arts education. You don't have to be a classically educated top academic from Harvard to see the humour in this thread, nor do you have to be an Oxford-educated writer to produce a good book. It's all pretty irrelevant, just looks like you're trying to hard too shift the focus of your /fail onto me biographically.

Oh and if you want to emulate the narrative style of Tom Clancy, be my guest: the world could definitely use more unimaginative, boring and formulaic plots! Tom Clancy's novels definitely keep me on the edge of my seat... waiting to get up and fucking do something else.

Last edited by Uzique (2008-12-12 05:32:00)

I like porno.

Uzique wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

And how do I have a disregard for 'real' plot points as you put it huh? All you've done is try to put me out as some dumb-dumb who can't tell his arse from his elbow (reference to just being able to write children's books) and thinking that beause I don't like Shakespeare, I don't have a clue about literature or how to write. Just because I don't engage in some literal masterpiece, doesn't mean I cannot write myself. I said Shakespeare was a talented guy, who was also not hugely revered at the time he made his works. That's my opinion and I stick by it, and if because of that you think I'm some sort of moron incapable of anything more than drooling at purty pictures, then that's your problem. I write about what I enjoy, that's what you're supposed to do when you write. It becomes a good work, so be it, it becomes a bad work, forget it and move on.

Your point about Shakespeare's contemporary fame is, quite simply, wrong. Building your own theatre, having your own company, generating public hype and entertaining the Royal Court = famous and successful. He was not some 'misunderstood' genius that has only come to fame and reverance after centuries of critical and academic scrutiny. He was first and foremost a playwright and did a damn good job of it, making a rather tidy living during his own time entertaining audiences with what they essentially wanted.

MOAB wrote:

Yeah where did I state I watch for big explosions? That's the friggin point of a movie, to switch off and enjoy it. Jesus how difficult is that to grasp?

That is quite difficult to grasp, considering you're only highlighting the point of action movies. Many people like to remain very much engaged and turned-on (... not sexually, or perhaps so if you're a man of delectable tastes such as Deez) when watching a movie; people like thought-provoking media just as much as they like mindless fun and macho adventure.

Similarly, writing about what you enjoy is... hmm. Well, I'm pretty sure Orwell didn't enjoy totalitarianism, and Joyce didn't enjoy the state of his contemporary Ireland, but I semi-understand your point.

I like movies like the Bourne Series because they have good plots, good stories. Shooter is an engaging film as well because it introduces elements of conspiracy and corruption in a compelling way. I like war novels, science-fiction and that's the sort of things I write. I know I'm not the best writer, I don't try to be. I write as best as I can to put my ideas down on paper (well screen), so that hopefully someone will enjoy it. I take influences from people like Orwell, one of the books I'm writing involves a totalitarian government, a fictional military, fictional technology. I know it won't be a masterpiece, I'm not a genius, far from it, but I'm not an idiot either. I know very well that there are a lot of people who enjoy the same genre that I do and hopefully those people would enjoy anything I wrote. I aim to write things people would find entertaining, some won't like it, other will, just the way the world works.

Last edited by M.O.A.B (2008-12-12 06:08:40)

M.O.A.B wrote:

I like movies like the Bourne Series because they have good plots, good stories. Shooter is an engaging film as well because it introduces elements of conspiracy and corruption in a compelling way. I like war novels, science-fiction and that's the sort of things I write. I know I'm not the best writer, I don't try to be. I write as best as I can to put my ideas down on paper (well screen), so that hopefully someone will enjoy it. I take influences from people like Orwell, one of the books I'm writing involves a totalitarian government, a fictional military, fictional technology. I know it won't be a masterpiece, I'm not a genius, far from it, but I'm not an idiot either. I know very well that there are a lot of people who enjoy the same genre that I do and hopefully those people would enjoy anything I wrote. I aim to write things people would find entertaining, some won't like it, other will, just the way the world works.

Christ, is that a manifesto or something?

Everyone's their own favourite poet / their own best writer .

jord wrote:

I'm going to be the first person to be awarded the GC and VC ever. Then I'll write a autobiography. It will make millions.


Muhahaha

Should do some Ryan/McNab stuff when you're out tbh Jord

Uzique wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

I like movies like the Bourne Series because they have good plots, good stories. Shooter is an engaging film as well because it introduces elements of conspiracy and corruption in a compelling way. I like war novels, science-fiction and that's the sort of things I write. I know I'm not the best writer, I don't try to be. I write as best as I can to put my ideas down on paper (well screen), so that hopefully someone will enjoy it. I take influences from people like Orwell, one of the books I'm writing involves a totalitarian government, a fictional military, fictional technology. I know it won't be a masterpiece, I'm not a genius, far from it, but I'm not an idiot either. I know very well that there are a lot of people who enjoy the same genre that I do and hopefully those people would enjoy anything I wrote. I aim to write things people would find entertaining, some won't like it, other will, just the way the world works.

Christ, is that a manifesto or something?

Everyone's their own favourite poet / their own best writer .

Indeed

TheAussieReaper wrote:

jord wrote:

I'm going to be the first person to be awarded the GC and VC ever. Then I'll write a autobiography. It will make millions.


Muhahaha

Why make billions when you could make, millions?

http://www.pandasthumb.org/Dr.%20Evil%20copy.JPG

Haha you got them mixed up and your post makes no sense.


Jord 3 - Australia 0

Uzique wrote:

And so what influences do you take from Orwell's writings, exactly? Apart from totalitarianism... in which case you could cite Mugabe as your favourite 'influence'.

Elements such as widespread surveillance, strong use of government controlled media for propaganda purposes and also the inclusion of a rebllious group.

Though my fictional world is not as broken down and dishevelled as Orwell's.

Uzique wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

And how do I have a disregard for 'real' plot points as you put it huh? All you've done is try to put me out as some dumb-dumb who can't tell his arse from his elbow (reference to just being able to write children's books) and thinking that beause I don't like Shakespeare, I don't have a clue about literature or how to write. Just because I don't engage in some literal masterpiece, doesn't mean I cannot write myself. I said Shakespeare was a talented guy, who was also not hugely revered at the time he made his works. That's my opinion and I stick by it, and if because of that you think I'm some sort of moron incapable of anything more than drooling at purty pictures, then that's your problem. I write about what I enjoy, that's what you're supposed to do when you write. It becomes a good work, so be it, it becomes a bad work, forget it and move on.

Your point about Shakespeare's contemporary fame is, quite simply, wrong. Building your own theatre, having your own company, generating public hype and entertaining the Royal Court = famous and successful. He was not some 'misunderstood' genius that has only come to fame and reverance after centuries of critical and academic scrutiny. He was first and foremost a playwright and did a damn good job of it, making a rather tidy living during his own time entertaining audiences with what they essentially wanted.

MOAB wrote:

Yeah where did I state I watch for big explosions? That's the friggin point of a movie, to switch off and enjoy it. Jesus how difficult is that to grasp?

That is quite difficult to grasp, considering you're only highlighting the point of action movies. Many people like to remain very much engaged and turned-on (... not sexually, or perhaps so if you're a man of delectable tastes such as Deez) when watching a movie; people like thought-provoking media just as much as they like mindless fun and macho adventure.

Similarly, writing about what you enjoy is... hmm. Well, I'm pretty sure Orwell didn't enjoy totalitarianism, and Joyce didn't enjoy the state of his contemporary Ireland, but I semi-understand your point.

Good points, also if one wants to seriously talk about how great someone is in their artistic field one has to consider how they moved their field forward and thought outside of the box. Joyce mastered the rules of the English language and then threw the rule book away (as regards punctuation at least); Shakespeare wrote stories with unlikeable and ambiguous protagonists years before Scorsese and Schrader came along with Taxi Driver; Kubrick defied all the conventional schools of thought on editing, directing actors and cinematography (getting in NASA lenses when regular lenses would not suffice). Cameron can spin a good yarn but he won't go down as one of the greatest directors ever... he may, however, go down in history as a great champion in the field of visual effects.