Spearhead
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oh wait

"Belgian police arrest 'al Qaeda legend'"

(CNN) -- Belgian police Thursday arrested a woman they called an "al-Qaeda living legend" as part of an operation to thwart a terror attack being planned to coincide with an EU summit in Brussels, a Belgian police source told CNN.

Police seized 14 people, one of whom was planning to carry out a suicide attack in Belgium, the source said. They had contacts at the "highest levels of al-Qaeda," the source said.

The police source said officers "had only 24 hours to act."

The leaders of the European Union's 27 member states are meeting in Brussels Thursday and Friday. It is not clear that the heads of state and government themselves were the target of the planned attack.

The federal prosecutor's office in Belgium identified one of the suspects as Malika El-Aroud, the widow of one of the men who assassinated a key opponent of the Taliban in Afghanistan two days before September 11, 2001.

El-Aroud's late husband was one of two men who killed Ahmed Shah Massoud, a leader of the Northern Alliance, in a suicide mission ordered by Osama Bin Laden.

Belgian police aimed to prevent El-Aroud, whom the police source called an "al-Qaeda living legend," from moving to Afghanistan to play a role in the fight against the coalition forces there, the source said.

She is thought to be a recruiter for the anti-Western network, rather than a fighter, the source said.

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El-Aroud described the "love" she and her late husband felt for Osama bin Laden in a 2006 interview with CNN.

"Most Muslims love Osama. It was he who helped the oppressed. It was he who stood up against the biggest enemy in the world, the United States. We love him for that," she told CNN then.

Gazing into CNN's cameras she said, "It's the pinnacle in Islam to be the widow of a martyr. For a woman it's extraordinary."

"Most of those arrested" Thursday had Belgian passports, the police source said. All 14 are of Moroccan descent.

Three of the suspects had traveled to the Afghanistan-Pakistan border region to participate in fighting or training camps, and were in contact with an unnamed suspect who had direct links to important al-Qaeda figures, police said.

Two of those three returned to Belgium several months ago and started surveillance operations, and the third returned to Belgium a week ago, police said. Intelligence showed that third person was ready to carry out a suicide attack, police said.

Information showed the suspect who was to carry out the attack had received the green light to execute the operation, police said. Investigators noted the suspect had said goodbye to his family "because he wanted to go to paradise with a clear conscience," police said.

Authorities also found a video meant for the suspect's family, which police said was probably a farewell tape. They did not find any explosives, the police said in a statement.

The 14 suspects were arrested after police carried out 16 search warrants in Brussels and one in the western Belgian city of Liege. During those searches, police seized computer equipment and documents and the 14 people, including the three who traveled to Afghanistan and Pakistan and 11 others suspected of having given them logistical and material support.

Police said their investigation has been under way intensively since the end of 2007.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/12 … index.html
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6905|132 and Bush

How serious was this potential attack?  Serious enough that Belgian law enforcement says that one suspected al-Qaeda terrorist had already said goodbye to his family.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politi … Steinbruck
The arrests were made during 16 raids in Brussels, as European Union leaders gathered for a summit there, and one in Liege.

    “We don’t know where the suicide attack was to take place,” federal prosecutor Johan Delmulle said.

    “It could have been an operation in Pakistan or Afghanistan, but it can’t be ruled out that Belgium or Europe could have been the target.”

    One of the suspects had “received the green light to carry out an operation from which he was not expected to come back,” Mr Delmulle quoted investigators as saying.

    The man “had said goodbye to his loved ones, because he wanted to enter paradise with a clear conscience”, he added.

    “This information, linked to the fact that a European summit is getting under way at this moment in Brussels, left us no choice but to take action today.
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S.Lythberg
Mastermind
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What is the thinking behind this?  Is the full fury of the United States not enough for them?

These groups seem bent on taking on the entire world at once, and that's no way to win a war (just ask Germany)
usmarine
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S.Lythberg wrote:

What is the thinking behind this?  Is the full fury of the United States not enough for them?

These groups seem bent on taking on the entire world at once, and that's no way to win a war (just ask Germany)
nope.  they are very smart.  think about it.  people bitch and moan about gitmo because they dont have trials or whatever.  they know they can do whatever they want without any rules.  we have to follow rules i guess or people cry and moan.  you can only defeat them by taking off the gloves.  sadly, we seem to have a bunch of bleeding hearts babbling about the geneva convention and what not.  there is only one way to win, and that is to go full steam no matter where they are.  no matter the country.  grab the fuckers and figure it out.


but...we wont. (by we i mean a bunch of countries).

so, they know this.  we know this.  yet we continue down this path.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6751|Chicago, IL

usmarine wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

What is the thinking behind this?  Is the full fury of the United States not enough for them?

These groups seem bent on taking on the entire world at once, and that's no way to win a war (just ask Germany)
nope.  they are very smart.  think about it.  people bitch and moan about gitmo because they dont have trials or whatever.  they know they can do whatever they want without any rules.  we have to follow rules i guess or people cry and moan.  you can only defeat them by taking off the gloves.  sadly, we seem to have a bunch of bleeding hearts babbling about the geneva convention and what not.  there is only one way to win, and that is to go full steam no matter where they are.  no matter the country.  grab the fuckers and figure it out.


but...we wont. (by we i mean a bunch of countries).

so, they know this.  we know this.  yet we continue down this path.
Point taken, but the world isnt really all that big anymore, the more enemies they make, the harder it will be to hide.  We may be concerned about their rights, but Russia, India, and China are not.  They've already pissed off India and called the Chinese godless heathens, and a massive European attack may drag Moscow into the mix, they are truly their own worst enemy.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Don't see how arresting people is appeasement.

They were under surveillance, they were arrested, don't see the need to abandon criminal law or the Geneva convention - or how that could help.
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Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6969|NT, like Mick Dundee

Dilbert_X wrote:

Don't see how arresting people is appeasement.

They were under surveillance, they were arrested, don't see the need to abandon criminal law or the Geneva convention - or how that could help.
Your sarcasm detector is broken.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
BVC
Member
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Belgium caught a would-be bomber?  Sweet!
rammunition
Fully Loaded
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Don't see how arresting people is appeasement.
Thread failed

Last edited by rammunition (2008-12-12 03:39:40)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Flecco wrote:

Your sarcasm detector is broken.
Ha yes, I'm not having a good day, neither is Rammunition
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FlemishHCmaniac
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I think the reason why this is getting a lot of media coverage, is because they wanted to make a statement. I don't think it's a coincidence these raids were executed a few weeks after the terror threat Belgium received. Here's the video, Dutch subtitles only though.

Even though it was probably a hoax, they're not taking any chances and want to show they won't allow terrorists to scare us into submission.

Last edited by FlemishHCmaniac (2008-12-12 04:01:34)

Braddock
Agitator
+916|6594|Éire

usmarine wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

What is the thinking behind this?  Is the full fury of the United States not enough for them?

These groups seem bent on taking on the entire world at once, and that's no way to win a war (just ask Germany)
nope.  they are very smart.  think about it.  people bitch and moan about gitmo because they dont have trials or whatever.  they know they can do whatever they want without any rules.  we have to follow rules i guess or people cry and moan.  you can only defeat them by taking off the gloves.  sadly, we seem to have a bunch of bleeding hearts babbling about the geneva convention and what not.  there is only one way to win, and that is to go full steam no matter where they are.  no matter the country.  grab the fuckers and figure it out.


but...we wont. (by we i mean a bunch of countries).

so, they know this.  we know this.  yet we continue down this path.
"First or last baby, I'm Ricky Bobby".

I'm sorry usmarine but that's just macho bullshit. An intelligent and measured approach always goes a lot further than balls out aggression. For every Haji you take out on the battlefield three more will be there willing to take his place. You have to fight smart, you have to take down the big players and counteract their propaganda with intelligent PR of your own and you must stick to your morals because if you don't you will only be validating the enemies cause and inspiring others to sign up against you.

It's quite simple really, anyone who is guilty should be tried and sentenced. If you can't do that then I'm sorry but it's back to the drawing board until you get more evidence... this is not Minority Report!
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6410|eXtreme to the maX

USM wrote:

there is only one way to win, and that is to go full steam no matter where they are.  no matter the country
That's pretty much AQ's credo isn't it?
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lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

Spearhead wrote:

oh wait

"Belgian police arrest 'al Qaeda legend'"

(CNN) -- Belgian police Thursday arrested a woman they called an "al-Qaeda living legend" as part of an operation to thwart a terror attack being planned to coincide with an EU summit in Brussels, a Belgian police source told CNN.

Police seized 14 people, one of whom was planning to carry out a suicide attack in Belgium, the source said. They had contacts at the "highest levels of al-Qaeda," the source said.

The police source said officers "had only 24 hours to act."

The leaders of the European Union's 27 member states are meeting in Brussels Thursday and Friday. It is not clear that the heads of state and government themselves were the target of the planned attack.

The federal prosecutor's office in Belgium identified one of the suspects as Malika El-Aroud, the widow of one of the men who assassinated a key opponent of the Taliban in Afghanistan two days before September 11, 2001.

El-Aroud's late husband was one of two men who killed Ahmed Shah Massoud, a leader of the Northern Alliance, in a suicide mission ordered by Osama Bin Laden.

Belgian police aimed to prevent El-Aroud, whom the police source called an "al-Qaeda living legend," from moving to Afghanistan to play a role in the fight against the coalition forces there, the source said.

She is thought to be a recruiter for the anti-Western network, rather than a fighter, the source said.

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Suicide bomber's widow soldiers on
El-Aroud described the "love" she and her late husband felt for Osama bin Laden in a 2006 interview with CNN.

"Most Muslims love Osama. It was he who helped the oppressed. It was he who stood up against the biggest enemy in the world, the United States. We love him for that," she told CNN then.

Gazing into CNN's cameras she said, "It's the pinnacle in Islam to be the widow of a martyr. For a woman it's extraordinary."

"Most of those arrested" Thursday had Belgian passports, the police source said. All 14 are of Moroccan descent.

Three of the suspects had traveled to the Afghanistan-Pakistan border region to participate in fighting or training camps, and were in contact with an unnamed suspect who had direct links to important al-Qaeda figures, police said.

Two of those three returned to Belgium several months ago and started surveillance operations, and the third returned to Belgium a week ago, police said. Intelligence showed that third person was ready to carry out a suicide attack, police said.

Information showed the suspect who was to carry out the attack had received the green light to execute the operation, police said. Investigators noted the suspect had said goodbye to his family "because he wanted to go to paradise with a clear conscience," police said.

Authorities also found a video meant for the suspect's family, which police said was probably a farewell tape. They did not find any explosives, the police said in a statement.

The 14 suspects were arrested after police carried out 16 search warrants in Brussels and one in the western Belgian city of Liege. During those searches, police seized computer equipment and documents and the 14 people, including the three who traveled to Afghanistan and Pakistan and 11 others suspected of having given them logistical and material support.

Police said their investigation has been under way intensively since the end of 2007.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/12 … index.html
Oh but wait!!! Belgium is not the US or are Americans, Belgium did not invade Iraq, Belgium is not forcing itself on the world, Belgium is minding its own business, Belgium is not exploiting the ME for oil...............oops, it looks like you are out of excuses for Islamic terrorists except they hate western civilization, period. But hey, better to live with your head in the sand and "understand" and make excuses. So much easier t oblame the US................until now.
JahManRed
wank
+646|6932|IRELAND

GJ Belgium.

Good homeland security doing its job.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6594|Éire

lowing wrote:

Oh but wait!!! Belgium is not the US or are Americans, Belgium did not invade Iraq, Belgium is not forcing itself on the world, Belgium is minding its own business, Belgium is not exploiting the ME for oil...............oops, it looks like you are out of excuses for Islamic terrorists except they hate western civilization, period. But hey, better to live with your head in the sand and "understand" and make excuses. So much easier t oblame the US................until now.
Lowing... no one has ever denied the existence of Islamic extremism, no one has ever denied that they seem to have an inherent hatred of Western life, no one has ever denied that they are a threat to peaceful society, no one has ever said we should ignore their existence and allow them to do what they like.

Invading countries where there is no terrorist stronghold in the first place and continually meddling in the spiritual homeland of Muslims certainly doesn't help matters though.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Oh but wait!!! Belgium is not the US or are Americans, Belgium did not invade Iraq, Belgium is not forcing itself on the world, Belgium is minding its own business, Belgium is not exploiting the ME for oil...............oops, it looks like you are out of excuses for Islamic terrorists except they hate western civilization, period. But hey, better to live with your head in the sand and "understand" and make excuses. So much easier t oblame the US................until now.
Lowing... no one has ever denied the existence of Islamic extremism, no one has ever denied that they seem to have an inherent hatred of Western life, no one has ever denied that they are a threat to peaceful society, no one has ever said we should ignore their existence and allow them to do what they like.

Invading countries where there is no terrorist stronghold in the first place and continually meddling in the spiritual homeland of Muslims certainly doesn't help matters though.
Yeah, neither does being an infidel. Point being, you all blame the US for the terrorism, you blame the meddling, you blame everything for it except the  stated wishes of Islamists to kill or convert the west. To this, you say paranoid. Well, Belgium was about to get theirs and they didn't do shit.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6410|eXtreme to the maX

Lowing wrote:

Well, Belgium was about to get theirs and they didn't do shit.
They were based there, AQ didn't attack Afghanistan, they were just based there, who knows where they were going to attack.
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lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

Lowing wrote:

Well, Belgium was about to get theirs and they didn't do shit.
They were based there, AQ didn't attack Afghanistan, they were just based there, who knows where they were going to attack.
OP said attacks to be carried out in Belgium.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
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Dilbert_X wrote:

USM wrote:

there is only one way to win, and that is to go full steam no matter where they are.  no matter the country
That's pretty much AQ's credo isn't it?
Against civilians, yes.  In contrast, we're going after terrorists.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6410|eXtreme to the maX

Stingray wrote:

Against civilians, yes.  In contrast, we're going after terrorists.
According to AQ we are all terrorists, its total war.
According to Duhbya its a Crusade, ie total war.

My point is we can either fight this head to head, carpet bombing Asia, or do it smarter.

The British won in Malaya, through fighting smart.
The Americans lost in Vietnam, through fighting dumb.

Now we hear from USM the only way to win is to fight dumb.

Good luck idiots.
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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6410|eXtreme to the maX

Lowing wrote:

OP said attacks to be carried out in Belgium.
Not proven at this point.
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M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6527|Escea

Dilbert_X wrote:

Stingray wrote:

Against civilians, yes.  In contrast, we're going after terrorists.
According to AQ we are all terrorists, its total war.
According to Duhbya its a Crusade, ie total war.

My point is we can either fight this head to head, carpet bombing Asia, or do it smarter.

The British won in Malaya, through fighting smart.
The Americans lost POLITICALLY in Vietnam, not the fighting.

Now we hear from USM the only way to win is to fight dumb.

Good luck idiots.
made a correction for you
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

Lowing wrote:

OP said attacks to be carried out in Belgium.
Not proven at this point.
WHAT!!?? One of the captured terrorists SAID Belgium was the site of one of their targets...How much more proof do ya want? Or is the only way to prove it is to actually let it happen?

Get back to the basis of my posts instead of dismissing it because you need proof they were going to attack Belgium before you comment. Lets just assume the admittion by the terrorist they were going to attack Belgium is proof enough for now.
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