BF2S Forums WOW!!!!!!!!..........Is This The First Real Step To Peace In The M.E

I don't think it'll lead to peace, but it's nice not to waste more of the tax payers money on Israel just because a few important leaders are Jewish. By that logic, why don't the Catholic politicians send a shit load of money to Italy?

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

, cut their genocide against the Palestinians and in general STFU there might be a chance for peace in the ME.

/facepalm

If you think accidental killings is genocide then frankly you don't have a clue about the subject.

You could tell Iran to STFU and stop giving Hamas and Hezbollah weaponry and tell Hamas to stop lobbing rockets over the border every time the TV adverts come on for them.

Wait a minute... I can see something in my crystal ball... it's a little hazy but it looks like ten pages of back forth argument with one side believing Israel to be innocent victims of terror attacks and the other arguing that the whole problem was created when Israel established their nation in a land that was already occupied and began operating an apartheid society where preference is given to Jews from any corner of the world who move there.

I don't deny Israel does some bad things, just those things are blown out of proportion i.e genocide of Palestinians (if they wanted that, the Pals would've disappeared like eight years ago) and it is named mostly as being the sole trouble-maker of the region while barring the two main terrorist groups there and Iran.

M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

/facepalm

If you think accidental killings is genocide then frankly you don't have a clue about the subject.

You could tell Iran to STFU and stop giving Hamas and Hezbollah weaponry and tell Hamas to stop lobbing rockets over the border every time the TV adverts come on for them.

Wait a minute... I can see something in my crystal ball... it's a little hazy but it looks like ten pages of back forth argument with one side believing Israel to be innocent victims of terror attacks and the other arguing that the whole problem was created when Israel established their nation in a land that was already occupied and began operating an apartheid society where preference is given to Jews from any corner of the world who move there.

I don't deny Israel does some bad things, just those things are blown out of proportion i.e genocide of Palestinians (if they wanted that, the Pals would've disappeared like eight years ago) and it is named mostly as being the sole trouble-maker of the region while barring the two main terrorist groups there and Iran.

Well I commend you on being less blinkered than others among us here who believe Israel to be completely in the right. I don't consider Israel to be like the Nazis, I would consider them more to be like the apartheid Government of South Africa when it was around. I know there is evil on both sides too though.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Lowing wrote:

I thought the world was all going to have a group hug when Obama was elected

Then you were deluded, or thought one man being elected would change something 1,000s of miles away which has been going on for centuries.
No wait, thats also delusional.

Found another of your online personae though

BBoy wrote:

What a bunch of anti-semites here, you all must be a bunch of hitler SS. The Israelis have rights that are not respected by the Palestenians, so the great nation of Israel has no other option but to protect another Halocoust from takin place. The terorrists in the other side have to understand every wrong done to Israelis would be responded ten fold. That's the only language terrorists understand. And for Osama or sorry Obama, his true colors(muslim) is coming out, they all want death of Israel.

Actually no, it was delusional, but it was not my delusion. I never thought that. Obama supporters world wide did though. Which is why the media took real time global reaction when his election was official. People crying all over the world. Obviously they thought his election was gunna do something spectacular.

Also, I can tell you that I do not have another "online personae".... Why would I? Or do you get them impression I am one that really gives a shit what people in here think of me? I kinda thought it was apparent that I will speak my mind regardless of popularity. Guess not.

Last edited by lowing (2008-12-09 10:36:00)

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

I thought the world was all going to have a group hug when Obama was elected....Oh wait, Mumbai, India.

Oh I see, that's Obama's fault now is it? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't your beloved George Bush still in the White House lowing?

You have a long 8 years ahead of you if you're going to be blaming Obama for stuff he isn't responsible for as well as the stuff he is responsible for.

What did I miss? I didn't blame Obama for anything. I merely pointed out that the election of the  "chosen one" did not bring the world peace that was supposed to happen.

I think you're getting Barrack Obama mixed up with Jesus Christ lowing.

I think you'll find rest of the world just breathed a collective sigh of relief that McCain didn't win.

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

What did I miss? I didn't blame Obama for anything. I merely pointed out that the election of the  "chosen one" did not bring the world peace that was supposed to happen.

I think you're getting Barrack Obama mixed up with Jesus Christ lowing.

I think you'll find rest of the world just breathed a collective sigh of relief that McCain didn't win.

Uhhhhh no, The world got Obama mixed up with Jesus Christ, not me. I think he is the anti-Christ.

I see so now the Obama election represents business as usual, no big deal. Never mind the citizens of the world were hugging one another and crying. And the media was there to record it all.

Wasn't the question raised about how we cann all be peoud to be American again and all of the bullshit that went with it?

You have a very warped view of what constitutes evil if you think Barrack Obama is the antichrist. Obama hasn't even taken office yet and you are already giving him a hard time while many here still, for some unknown reason, try to defend Bush and his legacy. Obama, as far as the rest of the world is concerned, represents "business as usual" in a non-pejorative sense. McCain represented 4 more years of potentially dangerous and unstable Republican leadership.

Pug wrote:

Ok, I'll bite.

How exactly is this the "first real step to peace in the M.E."?

Well, I'd say it would definitely help things if we stopped implementing arms deals with Israel.  Then again, we need to drop our aid to countries like Egypt too.

san4 wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

san4 wrote:

Only a person who is willfully blind--or simply rabid--thinks Israel controls the peace process.

So in your opinion, who control the peace process?

Hamas.

um ok.. But Hamas do not rule the West Bank and Israel keeps building illegal settlements in the West Bank.

Is it because of Hamas that Israel keeps stealing palestinian properties in the West Bank?

Pubic wrote:

If Israel's enemies had won the six day war, would there be any Israeli's left?  Would the history books mark a second Jewish holocaust?

There wouldn't be any Israeli's left in the sense that Israel would no longer exist. If something like that happened there might have been a zionist holocaust, but as Iran's Jewish population can attest, they aren't going to march all the Jews into camps and execute them.

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

san4 wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

So in your opinion, who control the peace process?

Hamas.

um ok.. But Hamas do not rule the West Bank and Israel keeps building illegal settlements in the West Bank.

Is it because of Hamas that Israel keeps stealing palestinian properties in the West Bank?

You are changing the subject. Hamas' position has nothing to do with settlements.

san4 wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

san4 wrote:

Hamas.

um ok.. But Hamas do not rule the West Bank and Israel keeps building illegal settlements in the West Bank.

Is it because of Hamas that Israel keeps stealing palestinian properties in the West Bank?

You are changing the subject. Hamas' position has nothing to do with settlements.

The peace process have everything to do with the illegal settlements.. Hamas was successful in preventing Israel from building settlements in the Gaza Strip. All i'm saying is if Hamas was gone tomorrow, the israelis would be colonizing the Gaza Strip and a peace deal would not exist either.

It's all in the hands of israel.

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

san4 wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

um ok.. But Hamas do not rule the West Bank and Israel keeps building illegal settlements in the West Bank.

Is it because of Hamas that Israel keeps stealing palestinian properties in the West Bank?

You are changing the subject. Hamas' position has nothing to do with settlements.

The peace process have everything to do with the illegal settlements.. Hamas was successful in preventing Israel from building settlements in the Gaza Strip. All i'm saying is if Hamas was gone tomorrow, the israelis would be colonizing the Gaza Strip and a peace deal would not exist either.

It's all in the hands of israel.

Israel could dismantle all settlements in the West Bank and Hamas would still refuse to make peace. That is the official position Hamas states in its charter. It says Israel should be destroyed and replaced by an Islamic state. No mention of settlements or peace. No peace is possible unless Hamas changes its position.

Israel can't get Hamas to make peace.