BF2S Forums Should cluster bombs be banned?

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

i promise when i'm in the service to only kill people as humanly as possible. lol
f u c k  t h a t

This has nothing to do about it's usage in war.

It's about the unexploded ordnance killing civilians, I thought everyone had understood that by now.

I bet there are a lot of alternatives with way less amount of UXO that could be just as efficient.

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

Sydney wrote:

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

i promise when i'm in the service to only kill people as humanly as possible. lol
f u c k  t h a t

This has nothing to do about it's usage in war.

It's about the unexploded ordnance killing civilians, I thought everyone had understood that by now.

I bet there are a lot of alternatives with way less amount of UXO that could be just as efficient.

isn't the weapon's use in war the reason it is there in 'peacetime'? sorry i was looking at the SOURCE.

i like your argument though! this weapon that could kill innocent people after war is okay to use during war because it kills bad people! lol
please explain how i've got this wrong.

and CLEARLY nobody wants civilians to die.

I never said it was ok to use during war.

My point is, that a weapon that is SURE to lead to civilian casualties after a war shouldn't be used, it should be replaced by something that at very least has less UXO after usage.

Thats not the point marine, the point is that innocent people can be maimed or killed by the unexploded ordinance.

usmarine wrote:

can someone show me how many people are killed/hurt by UXO from cluster bombs every year?  then can someone show me how many people are killed because of driving and talking on the cell phone each year?  then how about how many people die due to dui's every year?


perspective.  ban cell phones and booze also then.


oh, how many cigarettes kill people each year compared to UXO?  ban cigs also pls.  thank you.

That's why talking on the phone without an earpiece and dui is illegal. Imagine how it would be if it wasnt illegal.

usmarine wrote:

Sydney wrote:

usmarine wrote:

can someone show me how many people are killed/hurt by UXO from cluster bombs every year?  then can someone show me how many people are killed because of driving and talking on the cell phone each year?  then how about how many people die due to dui's every year?


perspective.  ban cell phones and booze also then.


oh, how many cigarettes kill people each year compared to UXO?  ban cigs also pls.  thank you.

That's why talking on the phone without an earpiece and dui is illegal. Imagine how it would be if it wasnt illegal.

no, except for dui, you are incorrect.

also, thats not the point.  why not ban it?  innocent people still die because of it.  way more than UXO.

well, over here we did ban it. Although you are allowed to use an earpiece, your focus on the road will suffer almost as much with 2 free hands as 1. People should stop talking so much on the phone tbh. /off-topic

TimmmmaaaaH wrote:

usmarine wrote:

TimmmmaaaaH wrote:

Thats not the point marine, the point is that innocent people can be maimed or killed by the unexploded ordinance.

and innocent people can be killed by people driving while drunk, driving while texting, or driving in a vehicle that is not taken care of.  so, how is that not the same idea?

Well lets have a look at that.

DUI: Illegal.

Driving while texting: Illegal.

Non-roadworthy vehicle: Illegal.

Cluster bombs: Trying to be made "illegal".

not illegal.  they are trying to ban them.  hence no use or production of them.  which is why i say we should ban those things i pointed out since innocent people die because of them right?

there are WAY MORE serious problems in the world.  maybe these nozzles should spend their time on this?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081203/ts … arfuriccun

M.O.A.B wrote:

Any type of munition can fail to explode, its not just clusters.

yes but the sheep feed off the things that are fed to them.

usmarine wrote:

TimmmmaaaaH wrote:

Thats not the point marine, the point is that innocent people can be maimed or killed by the unexploded ordinance.

and innocent people can be killed by people driving while drunk, driving while texting, or driving in a vehicle that is not taken care of.  so, how is that not the same idea?

Marine your logic is bad. Serbs used cluster bombs in Bosnia with explosives specially designed to attract children. But driving while talking/texting still kills more children than those mines. Does that mean that toy-like bombs are OK and that it would be wrong to try to ban them until we ban cars and kitchen knives?
And why bother with terrorism when you havent even baned texting/talking while driving? How many US citizens have died from terrorism and how many from car accidents?
And why bother baning texting/talking while driving when we havent exterminated insects yet?
and so on...


ps.
And in most of the EU its illegal to use your phone while driving (dont know about US).

usmarine wrote:

there are WAY MORE serious problems in the world.  maybe these nozzles should spend their time on this?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081203/ts … arfuriccun

^^^^ MORE IMPORTANT!!!!!!

move on people.

usmarine wrote:

jonnykill wrote:

We got a hundred of ways to flush troops out so wtf.

do explain

Well there might not be any weapons as effective as CB-47's but you can wipe out platoon sized/company sized troops with say MRLS. Artillery. Stuff like that.

'Banning' any munition is pretty fucking retarded but let it be known that if you do use cluster bombs in a civilian or urban area then you deserve to be prosecuted for war crimes. Using it on military target: A-OK.